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Yorick rework into a new champion (really displeased)

Gusdel·8/23/2016, 7:07:47 PM·4 votes·2,702 views

Every other rework keep parts of what they were know for. Sion keeps his shield, CC (q was changed to knockup instead of a stun), and his passive lifesteal on death was a nice touch to keep his lifesteal with out having to balance him around it. Poppy keep her dash stun she is know for and her passive defense skill. Taric kept his stun and his heal. They all fell like the same champion.

The new Yorick isn't anything like is old self. He kept his minions but they require massive set up and are less useful in fights and duels and only to be use if you win the fight to take objectives. So he only gets to use them alone to fight a tower if he wins a fight. So you punish the other team even more for losing and help him snowball objectives will keeping his fighting potential really low unless you do this massive setup in a lane before a fight.

He did keep his heal but without knowing CD and ratios we don't know how use full it is. He did kinda keep his zoning but it is a ring that does no damage and can be destroyed so it not the same as forcing them to back off our take massive damage. He lost his sustain when he is backing off a fight. He lost is ult completely which was the most fun part about him.

Why are you still calling this new champion Yorick and why does he have a shovel?

51 Comments

Akenero8/23/2016, 7:20:51 PM5 votes

His old passive was insanely boring, he just deals and takes less damage with ghouls, so it's a good change His q is an auto reset with a heal and grave upon killing, and summons his ghouls His w is an aoe disruption ability that does more than the omen of pestilence(that thing was so damn slow) His E gives him ranged poke, and fulfills the same role as his old q, it gives him and his ghouls movement speed His ult is now a guaranteed useful ally, is ranged (like an adc), and is permanent, but will (likely) still be able to body block projectiles like jhin's ult.

I love the hell out of yorick, but I see the potential in this new kit. it's worth removing some of his aspects for this.

APrinnyDood8/23/2016, 8:26:59 PM5 votes

"They all fell like the same champion."

Uh... No they don't. Like, not even a little. I mean, did you play old Sion? He was a freaking burst mage. Maybe a melee carry if you were brave. Do you see "burst mage or melee carry" in new Sion's kit? I don't. I don't see targeted CC, huge team lifesteal or meaningful autoattacks either. He's got a shield. Whoop-de-freakin-do. And then we have Poppy, who is a tank that can't become invincible. I mean, if you're complaining about them removing Yorick's ult, think about how poppy players feel. At least you still get to summon something with your ult. Poppy players lost the invulnerability completely, and her old passive may as well be gone because the new "more resistances when low" version of it is laughable. And seriously, she's a tank now.

Look at it this way: Yorick could have been turned into an engage-tank. He wasn't, so he's not Poppy or Sion. That's something.

Can you tell that I'm still a bit salty?

asamu8/23/2016, 7:10:45 PM4 votes

He's keeping good sustain, an AA modifying Q, a ranged slow, ghouls (different method of summoning, but similar AI), and an ult that summons another entity (Albeit not a copy of a player anymore, so no more doubling your ADC with Yorick).

He gained a wall that can be used as pseudo CC as long as the target doesn't have mobility/flash up, and a more interactive kit. It's not just throw abilities so your ghouls harass your lane opponent anymore (though ghouls/wraiths will probably still harass them).

Assuming his Q is a reasonably short CD, it shouldn't be too hard to get some ghouls out for lane fights, and his ult summons 4 at rank 3, so he'll get them right away for late game fights.

Sightless668/23/2016, 8:18:08 PM4 votes

Every other rework keep parts of what they were know for.

Bullshit. You are majorly exaggerating how similar the past reworks were to the pre-reworked champions. Sion was turned from a melee carry or AP burster into a tank. The shield is the only thing that got preserved in any meaningful way. The Q, E, and R have virtually no basis in his old playstyle. He is nothing like old Sion. Poppy kept her dash, but she's not a assassin-carry anymore, she's nowhere near as tanky at low health, and she's a FREAKING TANK! She's not like Poppy was before.

Yorick's still a bruiser. He still summons minions with shitty AI. He's still generally a split pushing fighter with shitty engage potential. Fact is, he's less changed than some of the past reworks, and more than others. Sion still stands tall as the most-changed rework of them all, hands down. When Yorick stops being a bruiser entirely, he can try to compete with Sion.

I get that you're not happy because it's your champion getting the big rework this time, and that's fine. You're entitled to dislike this rework if you want to. Just don't go comparing it to past reworks, because this is completely in line with the past reworks. Hell, even the complaining "Yorick/Poppy/Sion is dead and the rework is an imposter wearing their skin" thread is standard practice.

Kaioko8/23/2016, 7:10:43 PM3 votes

I think it will be a lot better. Those minions do take longer to set up but it says nothing about them expiring. It's a lot better than summoning a minion just for poke that follows blindly to the enemy champion.

Choten8/23/2016, 7:56:27 PM3 votes

Yeah I'm sorry for Yorick mains. Riot usually reworks champions to fit the meta when they're not popular or different. Even if you know your champs strengths, builds, and how to play them, if 90% of the players are like "durr yorick is boring" Riot will change it. I mean, Annie is boring as heck but all Riot did was add additional effect to her like a mana/cd refund on her Q and having Tibbers be active after death. It's because she's a popular poster child and Yorick isn't.

Colgate Gator8/23/2016, 9:02:35 PM2 votes

Ah, there come the "I main Yorick even if I haven't even bought him" people.

Meep Man8/23/2016, 7:12:48 PM2 votes

The new Yorick isn't anything like is old self. He kept his minions but they require massive set up and are less useful in fights and duels and only to be use if you win the fight to take objectives. So he only gets to use them alone to fight a tower if he wins a fight. So you punish the other team even more for losing and help him snowball objectives will keeping his fighting potential really low unless you do this massive setup in a lane before a fight.

We haven't even played Yorick yet on PBE, how can you possibly say such things before testing him out? His new minions, based on the videos, pull their weight in a duel.

He did keep his heal but without knowing CD and ratios we don't know how use full it is. He did kinda keep his zoning but it is a ring that does no damage and can be destroyed so it not the same as forcing them to back off our take massive damage. He lost his sustain when he is backing off a fight. He lost is ult completely which was the most fun part about him.

Let's make this clear, very little about old Yorick was fun. His ultimate was a clone ability that was basically a "Use to Abuse" ability to abuse champions with on-hit passives and other passive effects that could make the clone more useful than it was. It's ACTUAL MAIN USE was just a worse Zilean ultimate. Far, far worse Zilean ultimate. Also, if you get caught in Yorick's new W, I can bet you will be taking tons of damage since his ghouls can jump on in there with his E and wreck ya while Yorick laughs at you from outside the ring.

Raiku Kawisa8/23/2016, 7:11:06 PM2 votes

I wasn't aware he was live on the PBE already. Are there any other thoughts you have after playing him?

CaptnJakSparrow8/23/2016, 9:01:41 PM2 votes

I love how Gameplay suddenly has a bunch of "yorick mains." Crawling out of the woodwork x3.

Hige8/23/2016, 7:15:14 PM2 votes

except that he wasn't shaped around his ghouls, they were simply a byproduct of his skills which he IS keeping.

ZT Xperimentor8/23/2016, 8:08:20 PM1 votes

Every rework? Xerath was known for rooting himself for more range, they removed that. However you're spot on that reworks remove the reason people play the champion to begin with; regardless if it was a 'good' rework or not.