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Season 6 Metagolem and You

ltmetal·2/29/2016, 6:39:30 PM·51 votes·13,444 views

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It's happened again. This six item build can go on any melee champion and still work: . It doesn't matter if you're or , or , I've even seen it work on and . For those who are unfamiliar, a Metagolem is a six item build that can be put on any champion and still work. In Season 4 there was a less often implemented metagolem using Trinity Force, Frozen Mallet, Atma's Impaler, Warmog's Armor, Randuin's Omen, and Mercury's Treads that saw use on champions from Jarvan IV to Corki before Atma's was removed from the game. Prior to season 4 there were other metagolems like 5 Cleavers/Sunfire Capes/Warmog's/Bloodthirsters and boots or a weird combination of gold generation and health regen using a laundry list of items that no longer exist. This dev corner post by Riot Axes implies that metagolems are undesirable for game health. I saw a board post the other day and many of the comments used the term metagolem, which I had never heard before. I did some research since I was very green during season 4 and never played Twitch with 5 Sunfire Capes or Pantheon with 5 Black Cleavers. I've refrained from actually stating my opinion because I want to hear what the community thinks: Are Metagolems a problem? If they are, why are they a problem and how do we fix it? I'm willing to bet at least half of us haven't ever talked about or even heard about them. Please comment with your ideas and opinions. http://s14.postimg.org/c00t4zfjl/New_Metagolem.png

77 Comments

ModCaptainMårvelous2/29/2016, 9:28:20 PM22 votes

For everyone asking for S2 back:

You happy now? Hm?

CrazedPorcupine2/29/2016, 6:51:30 PM13 votes

Metagolems are unhealthy. However it generally shows problems with synergy between items more than champions themselves. In today's case, it's the synergy between DMP and Titanic Hydra providing so much onhit damage while making your champion unkitable.

Add in the powerful shield and good resistances from all the other items and Sterak's Gage, and you've got unkillable melee monsters that honestly are just so anti-fun to play against.

Fefnil2/29/2016, 9:12:56 PM13 votes

I always wanted to put a glove on my foot.

Old Man Teeto3/1/2016, 1:34:38 AM13 votes

I don't understand this and have pretty much never understood this concept.

item 3031 item 3046 item 3072 item 3036 item 3006 item 3102

Six items, that can be built on any ranged champion with an AA to make them do tons of damage. This list has worked since Season 0.

This game has NEVER had strong item diversity and likely NEVER will.

The difference now?

Some parts of that can be interchanged.
item 3143 item 3025 item 3071 item 3156 all see consistent use and play.

item 3087 item 3085 item 3094 item 3812 item 3508 item 3142 item 3139 are the same.

Itemization has IMPROVED but still isn't DEEP since it's just minor differences for same general item.

Spoofghoul2/29/2016, 7:49:32 PM11 votes

yea but in this case however i do not think its just the items.

It gives medium tanky resistances 200 armor 150 mr and a fuckton of health Makes you less kitable sure Gives some sustained damage yep

But when adc and assassin run rampant and are penetrating half your bonus armor or about 50 flat armor then getting more then 200 armor is a complte waste of stacks with less magic damage dealers around the 150 mr + tons of hp makes you unkillabel for ppl who build ap, as they usually rely on nuking your ass and dps mages are doing really bad right now.

All we see today are mobile bursty adc and ad assassin so you want roughly 200 armor as it is the optimal amount and you want as much hp as possible to prevent being bursted down Then there is the issue of too much mobility so you get deadmans to be less easy to kite and you need some damage to kill them once you get into their face.

This build, and or variations on it, is the only one which allows one to stand up to the currently rampant running hyper mobile ad burst champions.

Once AD burst champions have their mobility and burst toned down a tad it leaves room for other more lategame scaling dps carries who can deal with a build like this.

tldr; Certain champion groups are overtuned, they are crowding out any other picks and this is the only melee build which can deal with them.

woobee3/1/2016, 12:41:56 AM8 votes

Rumble item 3068 item 3111 item 3742 item 3065 item 3748 item 3053 yes

The ascension has begun

Solari Fortune3/1/2016, 1:28:09 AM7 votes

Wait has Sunfire Cape always had that logo on it? How have I never noticed a Shuriman Logo?

Oerba No Naja2/29/2016, 7:54:09 PM5 votes

time for reckonning Vayne

HayRoss2/29/2016, 10:14:11 PM3 votes

MY MLG JUGGERNAUT CHO'GATH BUILD IS RECOGNIZED! REJOICE!

EcchiOtakuTM3/1/2016, 2:33:51 AM3 votes

Should have put the gage on the right and shoe on the left, would have looked like deadman's shoulder into gage for a hand.

SexRaptor3/1/2016, 2:57:46 AM2 votes

I miss Atma's now.

Meep Man2/29/2016, 6:55:21 PM2 votes

Spirit Visage can be changed with Maw depending on the champion for better results. Besides that, this is a metagolem. Yes.

I also see a recurring theme of metagolem builds having a few items that have both Decent/Big Tank + Decent/Big Damage with the item. I can see a nerf to Titanic and/or Sterak's in the future. Deadman's damage aspect as well perhaps.

ModKnightsKemplar2/29/2016, 11:40:15 PM2 votes

Metagolems are a problem for item/strategic diversity. If those items are so strong on any champ, it basically implies that the synergy they provide is more valuable than the champion you pick, and I think that's bad for the game. Basically, just by existing, those items push a specific meta (hence the term) regardless of the champions picked.

Twitch Chat3/1/2016, 1:22:47 AM2 votes

theres too many strong options to really have a "metagolem" in the old atmogs sense. i mean this image doesnt include zzrot even though its super meta.

Flop Doggo2/29/2016, 8:11:41 PM2 votes

I discovered meta golems in the same post as you, I have since tried the s6 meta golem on several champs and the results have changed my life forever [slayer-pantheon-rainbows]

Sire Hippington3/1/2016, 3:53:56 PM2 votes

IF a realy metagolem arises, meaining that alot of different champs all go for the exact same built regardless of the situation and also have more succes than other builts at that, then we have a problem.(with the side effect that champs who can effectivly use that built are stronger than champs that can't)

Also, i haven't seen any working 6item metagolem(outside of adc) and i play since the end of beta. It's usually 3-4 items and the rest is variable

The current metagolem is Titanic, SV, deadmans and steraks. And only titanic is a bit overtuned due to the AA-reset on the active. If properly used the active alone can add 600-700 extra burst with 400-5000 of that beeing aoe. SV always was the most popular mr item as it lacks competition. It's usually taken over banshies because of the cdr, and the other options are just far behind in terms of effective combat stats compared to SV and Banshies, though i personally often use maw instead with great succes. Deadman's still offers the ms, and thus it will stay dominant unless the stats are so utterly shit that no one ever wants it. Sterak still is the single ost effective item for raw tankiness with the 30% health shield while offering some damage on top, and as long as the game resolves so much around damage and especially burst, melees simply need alot protection vs burst and damage in general, else they die befor doing anything.

The big thing with the current metagolem is that while beeing arguably effective on most users, the champs useing it are far from dominateing the meta. The current metagolem is simply a symptom of the overabundance of ranged damage, as stacking that much survivabillity is the only way to funktion without massive snowballing on most of the users, and titanic just is kinda op but desperatly needed so those champs posses any threat at all with the built. So imo the current golem isn't a broken built, but a shout out for help, kinda the last option for many melees to be any relevant.

There is a reason why cc-tanks and adc, assasins and a few mages are all that is played in proplay right now. If you can't burst down a target very quickly or offer good cc, your only chance as a melee is early snowballing and/or splitpushing as you won't live long enough for your kit to work in teamfights.

Toa Innodence9/9/2016, 5:25:42 AM1 votes

oh my GOD. Why is this still working with cinderhulk?

agbudar3/1/2016, 4:59:08 PM1 votes

ive seen darius do this and i gotta admit it was pretty powerfull on him but i haven't seen other champs do it as much and i have been playing quite a bit these days.

most of these items (except spirit) have been nerfed in the last half year

the main reason you will see this build is for the following reasons.

item 3742 you stuffed too much mobility in this game period every tank worth his salt will need this. item 3111 now that riot has given it a worthwhile amount of tenacity ofc imobile champs will NEED this there is no other option available it all got nerfed. item 3053 even with going full tank assasins and adc have INSANE burst atm how else do you expect them to deal with that. item 3068 this could be replaced by item 3143 or item 3025 or item 3110 or item 3022 so i dont see an issue here. item 3748 how many tanks have wave clear issues? thats right a lot this is a problem with their kit not the item. if i were to go off meta and go braum top i would rush this item so i can waveclear and then build everything else that you just listed item 3065 there are only 2 mr items currently for tanks to deal with massive amounts of magic damage. with the rise of champions like Lux and a whole other bunch of champions can you be surprised that people will go for an item that gives them a whopping 70 mr? i don't mr itemization is ok for the first time since they removed Force of nature.

if this item path is such an issue perhaps it would do riot good to look at the REAL problem instead.

and lets not forget that metagolem you are talking about is a 6 item build path when have you seen games go on for that long or tanks get enough gold to get that many items for that matter? currently games last 25-30 minutes and more often then not end roughly around 20 minutes without a team even trying to surrender cuz they were already at the inhib.

Malfini3/1/2016, 5:42:27 PM1 votes

Those pretty much fits to Volibear .

FinalFlare3/2/2016, 7:42:54 AM1 votes

how would you even build this, path-wise?

Tranoze3/2/2016, 4:10:01 PM1 votes

Metagolem < Vayne

TheLambinator3/3/2016, 12:59:28 AM1 votes

akali is hands down the strongest champion toplane that now exclusivly uses these itmes. the fact that she can be so tanky and still do shit tims of damage and dont forget about her mobility. i thought tanks were slow, like in reality if a person was to wear a full suit of armor then they couldnt move as fast as somebody with less.this game is in a very unhelthy state at which champions can just go full tank and still outdamage most champions that do not.. AKALI ALISTAR NASUS are the biggest problems i see. but how do you even nerf that? remove itmes from the game? i doubt that riot will do that. and how much more can aklali get nerfed before she is a jungle camp? ABSOLUTELY UNHEALTHY IN EVERY WAY. from when i started playing (season2) until now, i have seen more and more issues with more and more champions each patch. this is getting outlandish. i wish riot would do nerfs and balances for REAL LEAGUE OF LEGENDS, not just for the pros. that is why so many things have gone on for so long imbalanced. poor practice to forget the majority of your community(99%) who plays real league and then only focus on pros. eventually people are gonna see taht there is a problem and stop playing the game. but so much time and money investments stops most people from playing(me included)

japan hate acc9/9/2016, 5:30:05 AM1 votes

What about Talon?

Moulin Rouge3/1/2016, 3:09:27 PM1 votes

Maybe I'll have to give the metagolem a go. I'll feel disgusting about it but might as well try.