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Yes, I was the Cait with about 6 CS @ 6 minutes, hear me out

waspcreaturesx·1/20/2016, 1:41:49 AM·7 votes·1,602 views

Game starts. My second ranked game ever. I got bot lane (my secondary choice). I was going to pick Jinx, but the enemy adc got her so I picked Cait.

Game starts, Sona support is AFK.

I ask the JG Diana for assistance.

Long story short: answer is no.

I proceed to sit under tower as the enemy Jinx and Karma bot lane bring the minions to me. I try to CS, but the second I hit a minion I get Karma Q'd to the face. Hit another minion, Jinx W. The harassment goes on, I get low, I back off. I can't steadily CS. Under normal circumstances, I could CS under tower just fine. However, with two enemy botlaners poking me the second I get into range of them (under tower or not), I was left with 6 CS by about 6 minutes.

I pinged for assistance, jungler refused to help. Why? Supposedly because I'm cait, I have the longest range in the game so I should be able to CS fine. Jungler proceeds to gank top before even trying to help bot lane. When she does help, she doesn't stay.

I got repeated harassment the whole game, and I understand this is where I should've muted but I didn't.

Game goes on and I end up in base with a few inhibs down, defending base and CSing to catch up. I get a few items. 1v3 at my nexus towers. End up with the second best K/D/A on my team.

Is it fair that I got repeated abuse for having low CS when I'm 1v2ing bot lane due to a support AFK? Obviously not.

My point is that teams need to be more understanding and take in ALL the circumstances in order to judge someone's play. If the support AFKs, the Jungler should be helping bot lane. If lanes don't overextend, lanes can survive ganks, but there's little that can be done about a constant 1v2, especially when they are one that can and will poke you to death.

More generally; if someone is having trouble against their lane opponent, instead of harassing them about it, do what you can, when you can to help.

TLDR; When supports AFK, HELP the 1v2ing squishy on your team. Help ANYONE struggling on your team.

32 Comments

Mcprowlington1/20/2016, 2:12:47 AM6 votes

TLDR; When supports AFK, HELP the 1v2ing squishy on your team. Help ANYONE struggling on your team.

As a jungler, this is a choice. Not always necessarily the correct one. In fact, in your case, almost definitely not the correct one. The point of ganking is to get a kill by forcing a 2v1 situation. Going out of your way to force a less than equal fight (since you're underfarmed), is often going to end badly and just make that lane worse for you. God forbid the enemy jungler happens to be in the area.

I'll probably get flack for this and I don't mean to be some edgy hardass, but you can farm just fine 2v1 as Cait. You're only gonna drag your team down further if you force your jungler to sacrifice his income to sit around and camp you.

Do notice the way you responded to being thrown under the bus is just to throw the jungler under the bus (even if you didn't say in game and only just now). Don't be that guy.

Xicashina1/20/2016, 2:18:55 AM3 votes

Im not trying to say I don't understand you but its actually a very bad idea for the jungler to help you.

If the jungle comes to "pressure the lane" which would give you an opportunity to CS then they will lose time that they could be using farming a/o ganking lanes that could potentially snowball.

If they come bot in this scenario, then they will also get poked down, and be forced to back. -Following this the only reasonable time for them to come would be for at the end of there clear they could come and b under tower to stop the dive that could occur while your csing

In comparison, if they went top, mid or farmed there jg the team is netting far more gold from kills a/o mob kills than would be salvaged from going bot.

To be fair regardless of which adc you are you shouldn't have less than 1/2 your opponents creep score in this sort of scenario unless they set up a perfect freeze or consecutively dive you. (However your number if probably due to you lacking experience in csing under tower (believe me I'm shit at it too))

iHerring1/20/2016, 2:59:19 AM2 votes

Heres a thought experiment I had recently that came up after someone QQ'd about Caitlyns infinity AA range.

Movement speed is "number of units moved per second" with base moves from 325-355. To flip that around, all champions move about 100-120 units in 1/3 of a second.

Caitlyns AA range is 100 above the common 550 range.

Therefore with Caitlyn vs most other ADCs that decide to poke each other, when Caitlyn reaches her AA range she will have just under 1/3 of a second to stop, fire her AA animation and move away before she gets hit in return.

Maybe it's my non challenger rank showing, but I'm struggling to believe that an extra 1/3 of a second grants unlimited unreturnable AA poke.

Asayake 5150glow1/20/2016, 2:13:29 AM1 votes

{quoted} I pinged for assistance, jungler refused to help. Why? Supposedly because I'm cait, I have the longest range in the game so I should be able to CS fine. Jungler proceeds to gank top before even trying to help bot lane. When she does help, she doesn't stay.

Erm... so she did help?

Well, first of all, look at her champion. If she stayed in ur lane and helped, then she would've just been another target for their practicing on until she hits 6. By that time, it'd be pretty much over. It's Diana.

For the poking problem: Do you know how to animation cancel? I'm high bronze and I do, at least with some basic abilities and auto attacks. Well, if you do, dodging the Jinx W and Karma Q should've been rather easy. I mean, a cast time of at least a half a second with average projectile speed isn't exactly the best for long range poke. Karma's has less range, less cast time, but also a much slow projectile speed. We're talking about two very easy to dodge projectiles here. Back to animation canceling: If you do it, you move around a lot more even while attacking, so you're in a place for much less time. Thus making it harder to land a skillshot on you.

To sum it up: Learn to animation cancel (kiting, with auto's), dodge, and know your ally champion's (and enemy champion's) capabilities. Sure you would've been poked down by Jinx rockets, but staying far enough under turret makes that a risk for her. With the minions pushed under your tower, you should get roughly 3-4 CS each wave if you're bad (in other words, if ur me). Being under your turret means no minions to hide behind (but then Jinx would've just poked with Q and Karma with Ult+Q, but also means that you're much further away (especially cuz ur Cait).

Underworldvisito1/20/2016, 2:54:14 AM1 votes

Dang....I don't really agree about the jungles part doe, as junglers need to jungle. Simple as that, but they should gank often. But at the cs matter, you should've just continuously spammed "UR SO MEAN" in all-chat, like I do whentheenemy has 2 players top. This allows them to become aggravated, and say "muted", and then when you say it again, they say "omfg why won't you shut the fucc up bitcc" even though they "supposedly" muted you, and then they become super annoyed, causing them to miss all their skill shots and allow your jungles to get free kills. Long story short, be a teemo.

FuntaC1/20/2016, 1:49:09 AM1 votes

Your tldr condensed it well. I know. You posted this in hope of changing even one person for the better. You won't, but, hey, you believed in the power of people to change for the better.

It was a good story. Thanks.

Nekusen1/20/2016, 5:42:44 AM1 votes

when someone makes mistakes, i try to give advice in a non-aggressive way (using the word "should" makes a difference) so they assumed you made a mistake (which doesn't seem to be the case), and reacted in a bad way.

the best thing they could have done is that Jg and Mid helped ganking bot and feeding you a bit, if you were under turrets they were probably overextending. in other words, team should heavily roam in that case, get aggressive and try to end as fast as possible.

about you, perhaps you should put yourself in a "mage" mindset and use Q to farm, even if you end up having to rush mana and CDR items, thats better than no items because of no farm (item 3057 or even a item 2033) or hell, even item 1056

Dediguise1/20/2016, 1:49:39 AM1 votes

I'm not gonna attack or defend you, but I will strongly suggest that you choose support over adc unless you are a very very skilled player. Learning support is the best way to become a better adc. In this situation you would have been more useful to your team as a support because you would have had abilities that allowed you to work together to compensate for the afk.

The afk was not your fault. But basically playing adc in placement matches is asking for punishment.

Vesarixx1/20/2016, 2:02:04 AM1 votes

I had a similar thing happen a while back, was still able to CS to some extent but our Lee Sins idea of helping bot was wait until I get dove under the tier 2 turret and then show up, take CS and push the lane so the enemy bot lane can freeze it in front of their turret.