Why is Taric heal so low compared to Rakan's?

Fikule·Apr 20, 2017·15 votes·2,811 views

Just a comparison:

0AP and 0 Bonus HP. Level 11 (Rank 5) Rakan Heal = 98 (1.6 healing per mana) Taric Heal = 60/120/180 (0.42/0.85/1.28 healing per mana)

200AP and 2000 Bonus HP. Level 11 (Rank 5) Rakan Heal = 238 (4 healing per mana) Taric Heal = 130/260/390 (0.92/1.85/2.78 healing per mana)

0AP and 2000 Bonus HP. Level 11 (Rank 5) Rakan Heal = 98 (1.6 healing per mana) Taric Heal = 90/180/270 (0.64/1.28/1.92 healing per mana)

Kind of looks fine (ignoring lots of details), but how about a realistic end-game build?

Rakan, Level 18, 100AP and Tanky af Rakan Heal = 220 (3.6 healing per mana)

Taric, Level 18, 0AP and 1650 bonus HP Taric Heal = 254 (1.8 healing per mana)

So, a realistic end-game Taric build has 50% of the healing per mana of a Rakan heal. And that's assuming Taric has 3 charges. Rakan's heal has a 6 second cooldown while Taric's is 15 seconds per charge. If Taric uses Bastion and Dazzle with auto attacks on a target who isn't running away he can get all three charges (assuming he started the fight with one full set of charges) in about 3 seconds, once.

That would put his healing per second for two heals at 169 per second at a cost of 400 mana (1.26 healing per mana)

If Rakan hits an enemy a second time after 6 seconds he gets 73 healing per second at a cost of 120 (3.65 healing per mana) or, if we assume Rakan cast his other abilities (even though not required for healing), it's 310 mana, or 1.41 healing per mana, still more efficient without any heavy combat requirement other than hitting an enemy from range.

I just don't see why Taric's heal is so much higher risk with a much lower reward. And as a fight goes on Taric's heal only gets less efficient from his other cooldowns.

27 Comments

TyrekGoldenspearApr 20, 201710 votes

Rakan is more fabulous than Taric.

Jeddy017Apr 21, 20171 votes

http://rs1201.pbsrc.com/albums/bb343/rileysheaseoul/Supernatural%20GIF/tumblr_lji644gLHe1qegw8l.gif~c200

OH SHIT! Did our boy Taric just get "one up"-ed by some feathery charmer?

AnomanderApr 20, 20178 votes

Conditional vs targeted........

ModAcademy KaynApr 21, 20176 votes

Because one requires you to hit a skillshot.

chipndip1Apr 20, 20175 votes

Simple: Taric doesn't have to be in combat to use his healing. Taric can create two separate aoes for the heal to come from, either.

AlienPrimateApr 30, 20171 votes

If Taric isn't in combat, his heal has a 45 second cooldown, costs 140 mana, and only heals for ~400 at full build. I don't think any Taric players have an issue with the low amount of heal. Our issue is the ridiculous mana cost. His Q is one of the most expensive abilities in the game to use. I can only think of 3 off the top of my head that are higher and they are Zilean's, Amumu's, and Karthus's ults.

If you compare the base heal in combat from Taric to any other heal in the game it is just stupid. 60 base heal with bad scaling for 140 mana sounds like a bad joke. Kayle's heal at rank 1 has a base heal of 60 and costs 60 mana. It would be nice if they accounted for the fact that you aren't just sitting back healing people from a safe distance when using it in combat and refunded a little mana with his passive after using Q.

LadyRenlyApr 20, 20174 votes

why are you comparing two completely different champions who do completely different things?

Darius StradaApr 20, 20172 votes

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why are you comparing two completely different champions who do completely different things?

Not that different, Both are supports.

Taric the GayApr 20, 20174 votes

Good question. But more importantly, why are my mana costs so high?

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cinomenapplebaeApr 20, 20176 votes

Jeez ikr e is at a good cost since it's very important but w and q are WAYYY too much

MagicFlyingLlamaApr 20, 20173 votes

Taric has a heal?

AlienPrimateApr 30, 20171 votes

Not really. Unless the game lasts long enough for me to get full build which rarely happens, the jungler usually heals for more than me using only smite while I'm spamming an AoE heal on at least 2 people all game just to reset my other ability cooldowns.

DarkRitualApr 20, 20173 votes

Why does Rakan heal more than Taric?

Why does Taric have more invulnerability than Rakan?

Maybe they are different champs and one gets more healing because it involves a fairly low range slow moving skillshot.

FikuleApr 30, 20171 votes

Makes me wonder which is harder though, Rakan needs to hit a skillshot to keep his healing going, while Taric has to stay in melee combat for extended periods of time to keep his. Taric's seems far riskier for less reward, if Rakan gets in a bad spot trying to heal, he jumps out. If Taric gets in a bad spot trying to heal, he dies.

Valderis VandalaApr 20, 20172 votes

Maybe its because Taric is a shield bot instead of a heal bot, maybe its because he has a easier time covering more people with it, maybe its because he doesn't have to get close and hit enemies with it in order to get the heal? Maybe they are completely different champions with different strengths?

MelledoneusApr 21, 20172 votes

Taric covers a much larger area, and his heal is meant to be a rapid-fire spell to help Taric get faster resets on his abilities and whack people with his passive.

ArakadiaApr 21, 20172 votes

You can't compare two abilities in a vacuum like this, it's not accurate.

SpareatickApr 20, 20171 votes

It's because they aren't the same champion. I know that sounds stupid and obvious but let me explain. When they are deciding how much a champions heal is gonna do they look at the ability it's on in the first place. Is it just a heal or does it have other effects? Is it aoe or single target? Targeted or skill shot? Is it on an ultimate? So on and so forth. Then they have to also look at the rest of the champions kit. What other forms of utility does the champion have? What type of play style is this champion meant to have? So on and so forth. So basically there is no simple answer. The numbers they put on a champion's abilities are not determined by looking at similar abilities, but rather by looking at the champion as a whole and deciding what numbers are going to be balanced with the entire kit in mind.

Handy Sandy Apr 20, 20171 votes

Why is Soraka's healing so high compared to Ahri 's passive :(

CalabokApr 21, 20171 votes

Why do birds sing so gray?

CavemanteroApr 21, 20171 votes

Its because Rakan is new and they want to sell skins. Taric is the old gay uncle now and not so cute anymore. Even after the plastic surgery, he looked kind of messed up. I think after plastic surgery your skin doesn't heal so well so that's probably it.

AlienPrimateApr 30, 20171 votes

A better question is why is it so low compared to everyone's heal?

In combat at full build, Taric's heal only heals for about 100 at the cost of 140 mana.

Alistar's passive heals for 278 Bard's W uncharged heals for about 200 for 90 mana Fiora's R heals for about 600 without hitting any vitals for 100 mana Janna's R heals for about 1k for 100 mana Kayle's W heals for about 400 for 90 mana

I'm sick of looking these up now so I'm stopping there, but you should get my point.

The DeckownerApr 30, 20171 votes

bard and kayle Q do not heal.

AlienPrimateApr 30, 20171 votes

Fixed

crzymdscntstApr 30, 20171 votes

Taric's heal per charge makes him a slightly less reliable healer.

His heal is weird in that it's determinate based on it's stacks. Where max stacks is your best heal period. Arbitrarily I'm not sure I really think it's the power of the heal that really matters, but the mana cost and dependency on Bravado. Though Bravado should really be feeding into his charges a bit better, so that an engaged Taric is able to keep his heal pretty reliable.

RomenjiSep 13, 20171 votes

Taric can now heal every single auto attack, meaning infinitely so long as he has mana. Rakan's heal needs a significant buff compared to literally every other support that can heal, rakan's base stats are to low and rakan's scaling is horrifyingly low