Is AP MF mid underrated?

KnoblinSlayer·11/21/2015, 3:46:51 AM·12 votes·4,588 views

I practiced her post patch in normals for a few days with a lot of success and was thinking this has to be a fluke, or must be trash bag normal games. Then i started playing her in high plat low diamond Solo Que, Duoing with a buddy and made him play Jarvan and I dont thik we even lost a game. 7 in a row. + = Best teamfight ever? I still have to do a lot more testing but i thought ide try and spark a conversation on the topic cause i want to learn from anybody else possibly trying this. Would love to hear some feedback

Runes Marks: Attack Speed Seals: AP per level Glyphs: Flat AP Quints: AP or Movement Speed

Masteries 18-0-12 Making sure to take "Deathfire Touch" in the offence tree

Build Order

36 Comments

Swains Wurld11/21/2015, 4:07:08 AM2 votes

While I can see the burst provided as clearly as anyone who watches the video, I do have to point out that it is a very situational spec, and unless you get a good early game then you could be in a bigger hole than if you were playing AD MissFortune . If you have the enemy team in a bottle-neck or have some/all of them caught in a bad place or if you have a good gank; then yes, she can melt face. However if, on the other hand, you are in a situation where they have an anti-mage (such as Galio or Kassadin ) focusing you then you could be in some danger. Or if you don't have someone on your team that can isolate a champion (like JarvanIV ) you won't be nearly as effective. Regardless, it is interesting to see a champ being played in a different, but more importantly, effective manner.

IcyPepper11/21/2015, 4:05:25 AM1 votes

Why just AP mid?

Why not AP bot? Some ADC's can go mid, plus Miss Fortune could benefit from a support peeling. Mage Fortune can take towers just as well, imo.

Scrambled Anivia11/21/2015, 4:21:53 AM1 votes

i think its more the fact people dont play against it often enough to know how to deal with it.

just that surprise factor.

GinoSoldier11/21/2015, 4:39:36 AM1 votes

I'm someone who plays mostly off-meta. Sona Mid, Orianna and Lux Jungle, Kindred Support among others. They all work quite well; they just need to be surrounded by the right teams. Especially in the cases of Orianna Jungle, she has surprisingly good jungle clear and once she hits Runeglaive, she basically never needs to back unless it's to buy. However, she needs a team with heavy engage to function well because of her utility-oriented kit. I've had great success in premades with champions like Leona at Supp, Yasuo at Mid, and Malphite at Top for instance.

TL;DR If you have the right team composition, pretty much any kind of champion can work pretty much anywhere, including AP MF mid.

Rorana11/21/2015, 4:49:32 AM1 votes

Honestly with the buffs to AD itemization and now that her ult can crit, I honestly think that its better just to build straight AD if you wanna go ult bot mf. You can just stack IEs/ERs and throw in a cleaver and her ult will just end up doing way more damage. Especially now that her ult can crit, I just think that going adc or straight AD/CRIT is just flat out better for her ult damage which was the only reason to really go ap mf in the first place. Lets say you get like 800ap late game, then her ult will end up doing around 2.5k dmg before mitigation.

On the flip side, if you just stack 2~~3 IEs, an ER and throw in a pen item, her ult will do around 5~~6k damage come late game BEFORE crits (and mitigation), and at that point the damage difference with her E between ad and ap builds becomes negligible.

I just think pure ad/crit stacking mf takes ap mf's niche and has better/easier itemization on top of that

**note I always loved ap mf before the changes, so I'm not really biased between either of the old builds (adc/ap) because I loved both

Phorrtify11/21/2015, 4:55:53 AM1 votes

This looks really good. Have you played any AD MF to contrast it with? I'd be interested to hear the differences you found.

Poop Jelly11/21/2015, 5:01:55 AM1 votes

She is... But she requires good positioning, hybrid penetrations and sorta unconventional builds. I'd say guisnoo is good on her for offensive combat, other than that just go AP since her E is casted further now. Very underrated if you ask me.

Superior Current11/21/2015, 8:31:15 AM1 votes

Yes it is very underrated. But I think it is pretty legit right now. Her laning fase is insane, and has a very strong team fight. I love palying her, people often disrespect Make it rain, which is basically a mini GP ult. I like mana regen seals for early game sapmming. Also 12-18-0 is also good for the 5% CDR ealry. As for items why do you take Rylais, slow no longer stacks with E? Have you tried ap MF support? The synergy between spellthief and E is ridicilous. You can literally zone out your enemies with your poke. I buy Watcher's eye, Liandrys, Morello and then big AP items.

Spoofghoul11/21/2015, 12:16:00 PM1 votes

u dont need relays better get liandries instead

ElegantDoge11/21/2015, 12:41:39 PM1 votes

She's a lot stronger as an ad,i don't see the point of going ap.You deal insane amout of damage as an ad,not only with her passiv but also her huge attack speed boost,your Q does serious damage even in late game and your ultimate can deal more than 3k5 in late game. So why AP? I mean..i've played her since season 1 in various ways,ap only had one good tool:her E. And it was much stronger before as ap,now it feels underwhelming compared to AD.

Widder8811/21/2015, 1:14:00 PM1 votes

It is underrated. E is great for waveclear and the range was increased last patch. It is a really great tool. But pure AP Miss Fortune needs to snowball, if she falls behind she falls off harder than AD Miss Fortune. On the other hand AD MF has no waveclear. Because of this I really think Hybrid MF is the best.

I played a lot of Hybrid Miss Fortune last Season. My build was:

Dorans Ring
Morellonomicon/Nashors tooth
Ionian boots
Liandries Torment (great when ahead, useless when behind)
Trinity force
Last Whisper
Hextech-Gunblade

But some things have changed last patch:

Her E range was increased by 200. (Great for AP)
Her ult AP ratio was increased to 320% from 160%.
On the other hand her ult AD ratio was increased to 1200% from somewhat like 200-300%, and it scales with crit now.
Her new Q makes lasthitting easy, and scales great with AD, because of this lasthitting is easy, and E doesn't have to clear the backline necessarily.
Base AD is extremely low now, so Triforce is not as good as before.
Essence Reaver gives tons of CDR and solves all mana problems.

Because of the insane AD ratio on R, and easy lasthitting with her passive, I like to go for Essenzreaver+IE now. Because of the low base AD and the higher AP ratio on ult i like to go for Lich bane instead of Triforce now.

Now my build looks like this:

Dorans Ring
Essence Reaver
Infinity edge
Lich bane
Attack speed boots or defence boots
Hextech Gunblade
Last item: Don't know. Games don't last that long.

A sheen item is great because Q has a CD of something like 1.6-1.7 s with this build, but Triforce doesn't do higher sheen damage than Lich bane even with Low AP now, because of the very low base AD. And Lich bane is better for E+R. So I go for Lich bane even tough it seems to have no synergy with IE. Hextech Gunblade is great for strong E and R and easy long range healing with E, so I prefer it over Bloodthirster.

Good matchups for Miss Fortune are poke mages, because MF is just better. Bad matchups are engage champions.

I use this build in bot lane too, but mid is the better position because of the waveclear and the tower behind you. Max E first.

Chuck Charles11/21/2015, 1:46:54 PM1 votes

while not the worst thing in the world in the right situations, AD mf is almost always better. 75% ad ratio per wave in ult, and 20% ap ratio for each wave. while AP is MUCH more plentiful and results in beastly ults, your ultimate will still no matter what be physical damage. Factor in that each wave can critically strike and the 1200% ad ratio minimum for the full duration ult can be even greater. as opposed to 320% ap. that said, the ult with that kind of ratio can do absurd damage if you go full ap, but again because its physical damage it won't benefit from pen so if you go this route, its probably best to not waste anything getting any pen since the reason you do this is for the ultimate. the E does great damage too so its useful when being chased through choke points or as a zoning tool, but its pretty unreliable in c omparison to any other ap mage.

AD miss fortune much better, but you asked if AP MF is underrated. My answer to that on a personal bias is no. People are well aware that she is somewhat useful if you go AP, but why would you when AD provides most of the same benefits while also drastically increasing her overall DPS. Her W has a 120% attack speed instant steroid for 3 seconds which is pretty damn good. so not going ad puts that to waste pretty hard.

Grintar11/21/2015, 3:50:29 AM1 votes

opie opie

Count Buffon11/21/2015, 10:45:24 PM1 votes

Test run in bots. Feels punchy, and has nice mixed damage. Luden's and Lich Bane for sure. I'm skeptical about whether the DPS can keep up against a tanky comp or not. Could be a mid lane MF?