Can someone explain me why people think Zoe is "broken" or "op"?

Winek Chan·12/16/2017, 9:51:10 PM·5 votes·1,714 views

Personally laning against zoe has been one of the easiest thing I've seen, but everywhere around me I see people complaining about her E and everything. Can someone explain me how she is op and stuff?

57 Comments

Glîtchy12/16/2017, 9:56:21 PM7 votes

E allows her to deal increased damage with her Q, and hitting someone with E reduces cooldown on E

Kitten of Evil12/17/2017, 3:48:19 AM6 votes

Not OP, overloaded. Her E does everything you could ever want a skillshot to do:

4.2 seconds of CC (2.2 soft, 2 hard) Works if she hits the skillshot, lands as a trap if she misses Travels extended range through walls Gives her a cooldown refund for landing it on a champion Deals damage and also adds a big chunk of true damage to the next proc Can't be cleansed/Black Shielded once you're drowsy Doesn't cost a ton of mana Gives her a visual indication of when it hits someone in the fog of war Travels rather quickly (compared to Anivia Qs or Morg Qs, for example)

And her W is just poorly designed RNG. A Zoe can get 2 redemptions/TPs from minions, or she can get 2 cleanses. She's just gotten a big advantage/disadvantage through no skill of her own.

Boulderox12/16/2017, 10:00:06 PM6 votes

It is the Azir gameplay, if you can play her perfectly, she is stupidly powerful. But meh in every other way in every other division. But just how her kit is annoying to deal with when she can abuse fog and kill you with no chance of reaction. And how her combo doesn't put her in any real danger. But my big thing is if you have such a powerful cc, you shouldn't have a steroid and high damage in the same kit.

ValyrianBlade12/17/2017, 1:32:51 AM6 votes

Well for starters, she was pick-or-ban status for the all star event (both in 5v5 and 1v1 play). Pretty sure the best pro players have a better idea of what's broken OP and what's weak.

As for specifically laning in regular elo? Zoe's one weakness / not OP-ness is her laning phase. She isn't necessarily an oppressively strong laner (although her 1v1 pick-or-ban status would argue against that, the reason for that was largely her W making her very effective at winning all-ins which are forced due to the 'race to 100 farm' mechanic that doesn't exist in regular games, not to mention the taking of combat summoners in 1v1 instead of flash, and that no one can gank her [which her relative immobility is a weakness to her laning]).

All that aside, so what makes Zoe OP in regular play? It's not in lane dodging her E or Q. It's a jungler trying to dodge her E from out of vision and through walls when she sees you in the river. A level 5 Zoe sees a level 5 juggernaut jungler in the river at 80% HP? Instantly bursted to 0HP with little counterplay, despite her not even having ultimate yet. Bad enough that a Zed or Syndra can make that punishment at level 6 by burning a high cooldown high pressure ability, but Zoe can do it pre-6 and without burning any notable cooldowns. Her E is pretty easy to hit and way too reliable when there aren't minions around, and she can dominate teamfights with it. Basically if Zoe is in the game, anything outside of the 3 lanes becomes way riskier (including Baron and Dragon). There are other champions (e.g. Rumble or Twitch) that make these areas high-risk as well, but those champions are balanced around other weaknesses that Zoe just doesn't seem to have when played well (and lets be honest, people weren't happy about Twitch either).

Perma CC12/16/2017, 10:23:08 PM3 votes

Because she isnt op. People refuse any notion of learning a champions weaknesses and because of that 80% of leagues player base which is bronze and silver are complaining about her. LOL. Never have issues laning against her and she almost always loses the game single handedly for her team late game by jumping in and getting one shotted. If you ask me she is horrible at doing her job, which is bursting when you can literally just pick Syndra to do the exact same thing more reliably.

Shadòw12/16/2017, 9:55:42 PM2 votes

because people on this boards generally think that everything that does burst damage is somehow broken.

SwiftKitten8812/17/2017, 4:03:26 AM2 votes

becuase Zoe support is the most toxic thing in existence to to face.. (at least since her release)

SwiftKitten8812/17/2017, 4:09:27 AM2 votes

Yes, in three words: "because she is". some of us are sick and tired of explaining this ins EVERY zoe thread that pops up.

its her E and her W... mostly her E

Rexxiee12/17/2017, 7:05:25 AM2 votes

Shes old AP nidalee with a 2s spammable hard CC with over 1k range possible range.

Easy to see why shits broken, her kit is fundamentally broken and will always be a problem until shes gutted.

Need Gold 4 Tent12/17/2017, 7:27:26 AM2 votes

They might as well make her E do 1.2k damage because if she lands that you're gonna eat 1.2k damage anyway. Not forgetting the bs that QSS or black shield doesn't even work 100% on her.

Reaper Soraka12/17/2017, 7:25:47 AM1 votes

Not really OP, just broken.

She's a hit or miss champion as literal as the term could possibly be. She should be reworked like the old Nidalee was for the exact same reason Nidalee was.

hoyohai12/17/2017, 5:51:00 AM1 votes

gr9 b9 m9. You're causing people to convers9 about this, getting you toxicity and downvotes.

I feel bad for you. And I also have no idea why she's OP

BeleDelphinesRag12/18/2017, 1:52:04 AM1 votes

Mainly because she does insane cc and burst from long safe range. It is so hard to do anything to a champ like that. At least xerath is an immobile rag of trash with a long cd stun for a decent amount of time. IShe is just a better version of leblanc now. You need to nerf the sleep cd significantly tbh.