Can we please tone Brand down a bit?

KillerShim·7/21/2018, 7:22:48 AM·56 votes·13,290 views

His passive is way too strong and is in need of mending. Here's what the numbers are currently on the live servers:

Brand's spells light his targets ablaze, dealing 4% of their maximum Health in magic damage over 4 seconds, stacking up to 3 times. When Blaze reaches max stacks on a Champion or monster, it becomes unstable. After 2 seconds it detonates, dealing magic damage equal to 12% - 16%(based on level) (+1% per 60 ability power) of their maximum Health to all targets in an area.

This doesn't account for the item 3151 item 3116 combo, which gives him another 2% max health damage per tick, and gives him another 10% extra damage for like 15 seconds because of how his passive works with Liandry's.

That 12%-16% is only base damage as well, if you get 60 AP, you get another 1%. With Liandry's and Rylai's alone, he's getting another 3.2% bonus max health damage. This doesn't even account for other items he'll pick up in the future items he'll pick up on the road like Void staff, which completely negates any MR I try to build against him, which also give him more % HP damage with his passive.

Like, I understand that he's a combo champion and all, but a champion shouldn't be doing like 12% of my max life because he pressed the E button on me when he has 2 specific items. That's not really fun to play against imo.

77 Comments

Daedric Etwahl7/21/2018, 8:43:10 AM36 votes

One really annoying thing about Brand, I find, is that even if he does get caught out, if he gets even a second he'll unload everything and even if he dies the damage is done, basically turns him into a suicide bomber unless he literally gets one shot or stunned the whole time.

It's very stressful fighting Brand, as a squishy.

mzicio7/21/2018, 8:11:38 AM18 votes

I'd really like to see Riot fucking settling down with a gameplay thematic for Brand, because right now he's a DPS anti tank mage that still oneshots squishies and a great single target burst champion that also excels in teamfights. He's got conflicting themes that somehow work out and it's sort of annoying.

HP Crookshanks7/21/2018, 9:42:09 AM10 votes

Brand's passive is broken and needs a nerf. 4% of maximum health is too much.

saltran7/21/2018, 7:45:46 AM9 votes

The problem with Brand is that he's opresive as a supp (or even replacing the adc) because on botlane he's against 2 ppl he can target with lower mobility and worse early than in mid.

I'm all for nerfing him a bit but the sad reallity is that he cant go back to midlane and work properly there.

Kurt Hyzan7/21/2018, 5:22:07 PM8 votes

item 3194 fucks him up beyond beliefs

In order to land his full combo, he needs to land 2 skillshots and get in close range to use his E. Do you want his damage to be nerfed but having more range into his E and allowing you to harass even more in botlane ? Or having his Q getting a bigger hitbox ? Or his R bouncing even more and giving more stacks to his passive ? No. Brand is a burst mage, and what do burst mages do ? They burst people down. Take a look at what they did to Syndra, she's the prime example of a burst mage having his damage nerfed without any form of compensation, now she's just useless.

Meanwhile you got things like Zed who's a melee champ and can get 60% of someone hp by level 3 with a full ranged combo

Daddy Ants7/21/2018, 9:22:40 AM7 votes

Brand's damage is legit disgusting.

Spank the Fox7/21/2018, 11:01:22 AM6 votes

something something immobile mages are weak something should do absurd damage to make up for their lack of mobility something

- Boards

VG Crows7/21/2018, 3:05:06 PM5 votes

Seriously? Brand is what you think deserves nerfs? You have got to be kidding. Surprised there are people that whine about a completely immobile mage: Brand brings damage and that thing alone,it's his moto that's been going on for ages. He has almost no utility, nothing that can help him or his teammates in particular, only pure damage. Why don't we whine about Velkoz or Zyra then? The latter is basically Brand but with utility. Meanwhile there is meta BS shit like Zed,Talon,Zoe,Leblanc and other mobile no-brainer picks that are infinitely more cancerous to play against.
But no,its Brand who needs nerfs. If anything,he is not even the "middle"offender of this meta. Guess you never played immobiles just to understand what that class has to endure with all the mobility and damage creep going around.

Raiyza7/21/2018, 4:49:10 PM5 votes

We've been complaining about damage being too high for the past year.

Forget brand, nerf ALL damage. Period.

ƒrostγ7/21/2018, 12:27:05 PM5 votes

His damage over time isn't a problem, the most annoying part of his kit is his burst damage. He shouldn't have both.

Z3Sleeper7/21/2018, 2:20:36 PM4 votes

Make it scale more with AP and have much less base.

Should honestly just be 8% - 12%. The damage for multiple explosions needs to be reduced, since some setups guarantee it and basically guarantee a team wipe (malph ult, ori combos, etc.).

Percentages7/21/2018, 7:29:22 AM4 votes

The dude dies in like one hit, what more can you want?

Bijeesny7/21/2018, 11:03:02 AM3 votes

The only issue is that his W has a massive range, reduce it and it will be okay. The damage isn't an issue.

IRight ArmI7/21/2018, 8:04:30 AM3 votes

Brand has no mobility or escapes that's his balance.

Summonah123697/21/2018, 10:00:46 AM3 votes

A Zoe took half of my health using just 80 ap and her q.

Resolution7/21/2018, 5:17:19 PM3 votes

You do realize if they nerf Brands damage, he's going to get compensation buffs in another area?

This topic has been brought up dozens of times over the last year, and it always breaks down to Brand's mobility. He's an immobile mage that gets shit on by anyone with a gap closer. Being a combo mage with two dodgeable skill shots doesn't help his case - as there's a lot of ways to outplay him from shortcomings in his kit.

Ask yourself, if he didn't do the damage he did - What would his worth be to the team compared to other champions. If the major complaint is he can burst someone to easily with his passive, there are 15+ meta champions right now that have the potential to one-shot you. I'd rather Brand kill you over 4 seconds vs someone killing you in 0.8 seconds.

Do you really want to see a mobile Brand? or being able to stun multiple people? That's what would happen if you touched his damage and gave him a rework...

xhejms927/21/2018, 9:49:23 PM2 votes

Assasins counter brand . xerath with his range does as well , vel koz is a skill match up imo and so is lux and syndra. He is immobile , mana hungry , skill shot on Q , delay on W , low range on E . Now please tell me how he deserves a nerf when you have zed , talon yasuo , yi , trynd . Ffs please be reasonable

Percentages7/21/2018, 11:07:50 PM2 votes

ERRRMAH GERRRDD, I CANNOT DODGE! NERF CHAMP!