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What's taken the fun out of league for you?

Burns Master·4/16/2018, 10:33:57 PM·41 votes·14,670 views

I am very curious on what you guys think, I've been hearing nothing but complaints about the state of the game since the Kai'sa has come out.

The only things I can think of are-

The game is sacrificing its fun and creativity for the sake of competition, even for it's non-competitive player base. Unique builds and not as popular champs are basically punished for being in the game. Riot's talented with their designs, and it's a shame that such cool champs like Aurelion Sol, Kindred, Lissandra, and Mordekaiser are basically nonexistent because they're either weaker than what's "meta" or they're too unbalanced to be on par with anything else because of their kit. It's sad.
The game is losing individual skill expression, I've made threads very similar to this before. It's usually all about team fights, you can't even do anything if you're outnumbered 2-1 unless you're a fed tank.
The game itself lacks permanent game modes. Unpopular Opinion I think Ascension should be a permanent mode, or at least something similar to TDM.

What're your thoughts? The whole "League is dying" thing is piquing my interest on what the community thinks!

188 Comments

BlackEyesBlue4/16/2018, 11:22:06 PM34 votes

Broken match making and a state of the game where ONE player can throw it for their team quite easily.

BALDG1VEN BOOMER4/16/2018, 10:37:47 PM27 votes

Damage creep.

Dope Solo4/16/2018, 10:41:37 PM25 votes

Buffs: Zed MasterYi Yasuo

Dead flag blues4/16/2018, 10:51:46 PM18 votes

Playing what you enjoy playing without getting kited / one shot / cc'd for days.

Shrek Luigi4/17/2018, 2:28:37 AM18 votes

every night in my dreams i walk among the remains of all the scuttle crabs i killed and it weighs heavily on my conscience

Silverjust4/17/2018, 12:03:38 AM16 votes

stomp or be stomped

Fear the Kayn4/17/2018, 6:02:40 AM15 votes

Riot deciding to balance the entire game based around the top .01% of the community.

Mizaya4/16/2018, 11:08:21 PM13 votes

It's way too team oriented nowadays.

Armored Yokai4/16/2018, 10:46:44 PM10 votes

ADCs

BloopyLad4/16/2018, 10:51:09 PM10 votes

Yasuo

Hexs Fortune4/16/2018, 11:26:38 PM8 votes

I'd like a quick 8-12 min game mode to just hop on champs and explore.

brônco4/17/2018, 3:41:16 AM8 votes

the fact that I can some games play everything perfectly micro and macro, and still lose because of shit bot lane

GripaAviara4/17/2018, 11:04:08 AM6 votes

Matchmaking.

I'm sick and tired of 1 sided games. I'm going to take a break soon becaues of this

Foxynth4/17/2018, 7:07:49 AM6 votes

What kills the fun for me is that no one has fun anymore. It's all pessimism and looking at problems by way of just not wanting to deal with real life problems.

As someone in the elo where all of these champs are busted, I never see Warwick, I never see Kha'zix, I never see a good Kai'Sa or Irelia, and i climbed out of bronze with a very solid 65-70% winrate up intil silver 3-4, yet still climbing.

With the boards and all, sanguinity is best found in the company of your peers and hardly anyone seems to be sanguine and satisfied with anything anymore.

Kairoptra4/17/2018, 3:22:17 PM5 votes

Players constantly going on about how this game has gone down the drain -_- The complaints are plenty valid, but it's just so much of the same thing over and over again. It’s a personal problem, don't take it as something you need to defend. It’s a ”me” issue.

FutureCreator4/17/2018, 9:41:31 AM5 votes

The fact that AP gets completely shut down by a single MR item. I main Kennen and it fucking infuriates me when the opposing Zed or Yasuo just buy a hexdrinker and deny all of my burst, but even if I build a Zhonyas there doesn't seem to be any impact on their damage output at all.

Also the fact that games where, even though I play pretty well in micro and macro I still lose because my team refuses to group/is retarded, have become extremely prevalent. It really is true that one good player can't win you the game, but one bad player can lose it for you.

dangopee4/17/2018, 3:30:42 AM5 votes

Winning a stomp game where the ADC did 80% of my teams damage doesn't feel satisfying at all.

Teridax684/17/2018, 4:39:54 AM5 votes

For me it's been a two-parter: what made League significantly less fun for me was Preseason 6, and its subsequent change in the pacing of matches. It felt like a transition from Team Fortress 2 to Call of Duty, where fights that once gave me enough time to devise cool tactics started ending far too abruptly, mainly because everyone started dying too quickly. Comebacks became less likely, and generally it felt like my matches went from this interesting back-and forth to a coinflip, where whoever fell behind effectively turned into a helpless bystander as their team got crushed. After that, I started playing League significantly less.

More recently, what's been turning me off is what I perceive as a stagnancy in League's design, and Riot repeating a lot of the mistakes they've committed previously. League has a lot of systemic issues that have required urgent attention since its earliest seasons, but these problems have remained unaddressed still. When Riot does announce that they're tackling a problem, their response has tended to miss the mark, often for reasons they should have been able to predict. Runes Reforged, for example, advertized itself as a rework to the rune system, but really was yet another seasonal mastery update with a fresh coat of paint, and as such it has ended up with the exact same core problems as its predecessors. When the Juggernaut Update launched, I loved the intention and freshness of the idea, even if the execution was largely unsuccessful, but by the time the Tank Update came around, I felt like Riot should have seen it coming when their reworks fell flat, as no previous roster update had truly worked. Additionally, several newer champion releases and reworks have felt pretty samey, even when they turn out utterly catastrophic: Zoe in particular quickly became hated among players, and so for reasons that had been pointed out in other parts of the game, such as Nidalee's nuclear spears (i.e. her one-shot Q, arguably an even worse version of the effect), the irritating stun + nuke combo on any burst mage, and any kind of RNG. Her failure was entirely avoidable, yet somehow we still have that champion in the game. It's this refusal to learn from their past mistakes, along with a design philosophy that has become increasingly inconsistent and more focused on generating PR at a particular moment, that has put a damper on my hopes for League's future. I still do believe that League is an awesome game with practically limitless potential, and that there are fantastic people at Riot who are working hard to improve the game, but I'm not entirely sure if those people are being empowered to do the right thing, or what the direction even is for League at this point.

Bumperlane4/17/2018, 4:52:37 AM4 votes

There's only few instances where I can sit there and feel like my enemy opponent deserves the win and didn't just win by default because of their champion vs my champion rock paper scissors bullshit. "Hah! You got hit by my one ability, now you get combo'd and died while you have to land 4 rotations on me"

º Kindred º4/17/2018, 2:59:14 PM4 votes

kinda hate that you easily lose a game by just 1 bad player and the scuffed matchmaking is pretty annoying too. Also your first point is a major point why i dont enjoy the game like i used to.

P4ppino4/17/2018, 7:50:20 AM3 votes

Mordekaiser is a cool champ hehe xd

Elkington VI4/17/2018, 5:24:35 AM3 votes

Dominion being removed with nothing to replace it. In comparison, Summoner's Rift feels like playing in slow motion and Twisted Treeline is essentially a more snowbally, unbalanced version of SR.

At least give us Ascension or something.

YoRHa 2B4/17/2018, 5:41:09 AM3 votes

Lack of friends [zombie-nunu-bummed]

The Whamboozler4/17/2018, 6:16:29 AM3 votes

Primarily the community... It just seems so much more obnoxious, toxic and prone to tilting at the drop of a hat compared to years ago.

Supreme Senpai694/17/2018, 1:08:54 PM3 votes

Other players

Burns Master4/17/2018, 3:47:54 PM3 votes

Another unpopular opinion at least among my friend group.

People are begging for URF to be a permanent mode, but can you imagine how crappy it'd be if people tried meta-enslaving a mode that's supposed to be fun? I'm not big into URF anyways, I feel it loses its mojo really quickly, but I felt it was a step in the right direction to randomize the champ pool.

AMYS GRAVE4/17/2018, 4:10:17 PM3 votes

power creep, shit matchmaking, terrible design philosophies, focus on competitive, removal of strategy, the focus on fast games, ... the list is quite long at this point.

Ryouhi4/17/2018, 5:43:49 PM3 votes

99% of games being such ridiculous steamrolls that the game isn't fun whether you win or lose.

Either one of your lanes feed and the fed enemy can obliterate everyone on your team and you (try) to surrender at 15 or it's the other way around and it's not even fun stomping the enemy team.

You can see when the enemy team loses the will to fight so it's just pointless to play.

And yet i'm still playing in the hopes of getting a balanced game with back and forths between the teams

Sp33d Zer04/17/2018, 7:16:16 PM3 votes

/aurelion Sol has NEVER been existent in League's history. The Highest his pickrate has ever been was around 4% on his release. He is too different from every other character for most people other than his dedicated base to play him.

Lolman9784/17/2018, 9:32:21 PM3 votes

Personally it's just the fact that many (Not all, but many) people are toxic and unwelcoming. I'm level freaking 91 right now and I still am learning things, but no one realizes that. Like my first Shaco jungle match, I did fairly bad being new to Shaco and jungle (I mentioned in chat), and yet our Ornn said on all chat to report me for inting. Plus during my first provisonal matches, I had SO MANY toxic teammates it's not even funny. Half of the games it wasn't even the fact that the enemy team was ahead, but rather because we were just tearing ourselves apart. Things like that are the reason I stick to blind pick, since at least that's a bit less toned down (People don't care THAT much if you do bad).

Usefully Useless4/17/2018, 10:13:57 PM3 votes

1 ) Overall damage is just too high. Rengar, Kha'Zix , Shaco, Talon, Eve 100-0 people faster in 1/2 a second. ADC's are crazy strong. Swain does damage and is tanky at the same time. Tanks even manage to put out enough damage with 0 damage items to kill squishies.

Snowballiness of the game. Feels like people get way too fed way too fast - which could a possible cause of my first reason. The barons are important yes but when the game feels out of control you start having desperation fights for important objectives causing an even further separation.
The game is determined not by how strong your best player is but the skill gap of your worst player. One bad lane / role can ruin an entire game regardless of your influence on the game.
Metas. It doesn't feel like the game is evolving. It feels like Riot funnels us toward certain champs / builds / items and all other champions and builds are left to rot until after the LCS season when they decide to funnel us toward a new direction. It's not creative change, just forced adaptation.

Mokuto Bunshi4/17/2018, 10:19:58 PM3 votes

Game feels good for me. I don't really like that they are balancing ONLY for competitive but mostly I just want them to add more maps: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/general-discussion/NF5MpZvV-confession-of-a-league-of-legends-player-among-other-things

Rıots Bad Client4/17/2018, 3:21:15 PM3 votes

Lack of game modes.

Me and my friends only would play during the game modes.

There was a lack for a month or so, and so some friends just stopped playing all together. few came back for One For all.

And some game modes we just don't find fun at all Seige Mode, and snow ball. Ascension isn't popular but we still play it.

And the returning game modes, it feels like they try sapping the fun out of it.

Leaf on Bush4/17/2018, 7:29:28 PM2 votes

What's taken the fun out of league for you?

Arrogant players, players that complain about everything instead of just trying to win, players that throw around ridiculous blames only as reaction to justified criticism that they could not handle, players that are obviously bad at what they are doing and ruining games while never listening to reason. Those are the only things that really spoil the fun and they all have one thing in common, they are not teamplayers, they atually don't care about teamplay and want to find solo success.... in a team game.

And then there is the instant punishment and the honor system that is pretty much worthless and did absolutely nothing to improve teamplay. Everyone is still an asshole, they just got better at hiding it.

o brigid o4/17/2018, 10:44:30 PM2 votes

Other players.

YuGiHo4/17/2018, 9:57:37 PM2 votes

These are things i don't like about league: Crit, Windwall, supports topping the damage charts with 0 cs, item 3022 , Jayce , Gnar ranged tanks, only 1 armor item for ap champs in the entire game, item 2319 , item 3085 removing the skill from the marksmen class, summoner 4 , Swain Irelia Shen Evelynn reworks that alienate sections of a champs playerbase in favor of pushing new ideas weather they be visual or gameplay that could have just been placed on a new release and made more sense there, Shields, delays, Zoe item 3504 Jhin + item 3124 how long it takes riot to officially address problems that pop up from time to time, Azir Ryze balancing for competitive, Udyr a skin that should have been a vu, lore retcons, champions in desperate need for a rework/update, Evelynn Zoe when riot kneecaps the problem, locking champs in a specific lane or roll and them balancing them around it making it all they can do, Graves robbing a champ from their playebase with a a rework, item 3056 neglect, assassins that cant do their job, Khazix invisibility.

Thats all i can think of right now off the top of my head. im sure there are way more out of game problem im forgetting or something something balance team..

VaiiN4/17/2018, 2:52:19 PM2 votes

it's dumb how you just build damage and attack speed, or just full damage (like zed). it's not even fun playing adc, you just get popped by zed. also, bruisers like sion, garen, and darius is what makes top lane so disgusting to play.

AmenPerson4/17/2018, 10:59:19 PM2 votes

The things that have taken the fun out of the game for me are

      •The boards - All this place does it complain about current changes with the game, and don't at all try to be useful. Devs have said that they don't like coming here because of how toxic they are, but they still try to, hoping that they can find some useful information. 

      •The pace of the game - Just a bit to fast for me. I use to be a Top lane Tank main, and I enjoyed the slow pace of the game, just sitting up top and farming as Cho'Gath, Feasting the jungler who tried to gank with half HP.

Drugoth4/17/2018, 5:36:48 PM2 votes

Sore losers and whiners take the fun out of the game for me.

Percentages4/17/2018, 7:44:02 AM1 votes

For me it is the trolly ass nature of the community nowadays. I like to bs a lot so I've been chat restricted a few times for swearing and calling people idiots and such, but what else can you say to with a 0-13 mid laner? Or if they just don't like you you'll get reported. And god forbid you get matched with a pre made. But on the same topic, I've seen people with blatantly racist or deeply sexual summoner names and the speech that came from them was worse than ANYTHING i've ever said. I was just in a match with some dudes with a summoner name of "Nuck Figgers" and "poundthepussay" like these aren't racist and offensive? But I can get a chat restriction by telling someone to fuck off... Also, when you get the chat restriction, they only show you what YOU said, not what others might have said to instigate a response like that. I feel like if the tribunal or w/e could see the whole dialogue and not just what YOU said, they could make a better judgement, or see that the others players just might be more ban worthy than yourself. Taking away the ability to bs in a DEEPLY competitive game just seems nonsensical. Plus the amount of money on this account is staggering, so if I was ever banned for good, you'd best believe this game is gonzo. It just seems kind of hypocritical...