Is Darius still stupidly broken in lane or is there some counter play I'm missing?

Dr Plutonious·9/17/2015, 11:43:42 PM·9 votes·2,247 views

He seems to pubstomp any melee champ top. Am I missing something or is he still OP after the "nerfs".

I'm a Jax main and I've painfully learned he still stomps Jax into the ground.

33 Comments

Malix Farwin9/18/2015, 1:48:47 AM4 votes

Sadly, his only counter atm is banning him.

360D3GR3SS9/18/2015, 1:36:01 AM3 votes

Jax who has also gotten several small but relevant buffs recently.

Jacknife9/18/2015, 5:59:27 AM3 votes

I don't understand why people think he's as broken as he is. I play Darius as much as I can, even before the juggernaut update, and to me his weaknesses are obvious. Yes his damage can go through the roof, but that's if you let him get 5 stacks of his passive and heals off from his Q. You have to adopt a hit and run pattern with him, otherwise he'll always come out on top of any trade. If he decides to go on the offensive with his Decimate, judge if you can run away from it or not. If you can, keep going, if not, jump right on him so he cant heal and you get reduced damage. Then you can smack him around a bit and back off (this actually should be really easy with Jax if you can Q hop to a minion after a trade). Not every champion can do this though, and those are the ones Darius counters, the ones that thrive off extended trades or dueling. If facing Darius is meant to teach anything about this game, it's that you can't muscle your way through every matchup, you have to play smart.

Big Lincoln9/18/2015, 12:00:05 AM3 votes

wouldn't he be easier to deal with now that he lost the AS slow? plus, the delayed Q, if you can't run off of him you could jump back into the handle's AoE

correct me if i'm wrong. i haven't played jax post-rework yet, but i think i could agree with them nerfing his early game power, because he's supposed to be a carry now. maybe a smaller blade AoE so his counterplay is more apparent.

ShaftyMegee9/18/2015, 3:26:11 AM3 votes

His counter are ranged champs. The dude has no gap closers and no longer has any movespeed buffs.

IllllllIIIIlllll9/17/2015, 11:55:05 PM2 votes

hes pretty much the same lane bully, but was given a lot more teamfight pentakill potential to capitalize on

360D3GR3SS9/18/2015, 1:37:42 AM2 votes

I fully disagree, I have 100% win rate against Darius as Jax after 5 total games in High MMR normal QUE (with challengers) and 1 game in my ranked games in plat 2.

DarthSpectrum9/18/2015, 2:31:32 AM2 votes

TahmKench is surprisingly effective against Darius. Tahm's shield can completely negate Darius's ultimate. As well, since Tahm stacks health, Darius will struggle to put a dent into his health pool in the first place.

Teemo is pretty strong against Darius as well. Just Q if he pulls you in and W out.

Fiora parry the ultimate, 'nuff said.

Only Play Darius9/18/2015, 6:16:48 AM2 votes

They reworked him to tone-down his historically low-counterplay laning phase, in exchange for giving him much better late game power.

Well, he's a bit weaker early on but he still can dominate most melees. Only difference is that he actually has a way of dealing with ranged matchups now thanks to his heal, essentially removing one of his main weaknesses. His late game is a little stronger now but it still is terrible against a team with any sort of peel.

One of the rework's goals was to change his playstyle from "If Darius didn't obliterate his lane opponent then he failed" by giving him other ways to be useful to his team and helping encourage him to teamfight by giving him bonuses for hitting multiple targets and reducing the windows for him to get peeled, because previously his teamfight was so bad that he would just default to splitpushing most of the game. Yet in the patch overview video (5.18 part 2), when talking about the Darius balance changes, they explicitly stated that they were tuning him so that he would be good at shutting down his lane opponent and punish him for letting the game get to late, saying that he didn't do his job right if the game got to that point.

SMFH

Regardless, if you're melee you should actually try to stay right next to him during his Q. It denies him the heal and you take much less damage, and now that he doesn't have insane base stats anymore you should be able to win a melee trade against him if you dodged the axe blade.

Secret Butt Fun9/18/2015, 12:10:55 AM1 votes

The strongest viable counter is still his arch nemesis Teemo

The only thing that comes to mind as melee would be Garen , but he's broken too. Other than that, no. Why do you think he gets banned 100% of the time?

Mr Broken Wings9/17/2015, 11:57:26 PM1 votes

He is horribly weak in laning, he gets anoying in teamfights. I personally stomp Darius in lane whatever I pick. Like seriously, you can outtrade him with everything if you not get hit on the edge of his q while trading.

ScurryLizard9/18/2015, 11:04:05 PM1 votes

Just start boots. I can crush Darius as Renekton and I've been beaten by a Jax as Darius. As long as you don't hop on him while Q is up, then there's not much else to worry about. Gnar, Quinn, Zed, and Yasuo are decent counters because they outrange him or can get in and out of his Q range before the cast animation completes.

Kitten of Evil9/18/2015, 2:01:31 PM1 votes

His weakness is... I dunno, Vel'Koz? I was playing against one yesterday who kept taking out 2 or 3 of my teammates, but he just cannot get close to anyone with kiting ability, provided you don't get E-hooked. Ahri would also be excellent against him. Seems like a fair trade-off to me, you can kite him but he has an opportunity to close that gap and destroy you. What I don't think he needed was the huge AD boost on his passive and the large hitbox/heal of his Q. He often has 3000 HP or more, so even 24% of missing HP (2 enemies hit) can be 500 health gained instantly.

EDIT: I admit, I'm not a top-laner, so I can't speak to his laning phase. This comes from a support/mage (and thus late-game) perspective.

Ellphi9/18/2015, 2:09:09 PM1 votes

Idk man in my experience Jax is pretty good against the new Darius. Early game's kind of a struggle but his Q pushes so hard you can just farm under turret. Ideally you walk out of at least a couple of his spins.

Pro-tip: Decimate doesn't heal him if you don't get hit by the blade, Dodge reduces his Spin damage, and if you use your dodge properly it's really hard for Darius to get bleed stacks especially since his new attack speed is garbage. By level 6 with a stacked Relentless Assault you can win an all in.

5 Stacks GG9/18/2015, 12:33:52 AM1 votes

you're brain is broken

MorganFreemanBot9/18/2015, 8:44:56 PM1 votes

There are two (simple) ways to beat Darius in place, which is where he's weakest.

The first is simply playing a champion that can all-in him when he wants to fight and win, or pound his face in and then walk away. If you don't get hit with the blade of his Q you have a good 7ish seconds to murder him before he'll get his god-mode passive.

The second is to play a pokey champ. Darius got a lot worse against ranged match ups with the 'fixing' of his grab and removal of his movespeed buff when an enemy was bleeding. As such most ranged champs will ruin his day, provided they dodge the blade.

Trundle Aatrox Irelia Jayce Teemo Swain Chogath

Honestly, the thing I notice most when Darius is in a game (whether I'm him or not) is that people are just afraid of him because he's "broken". The reason he's broken is because they play like scared pussy-cats, letting him Q harass to build free stacks, heal, and do damage.. Then all-in them. Most top-laners can ruin his day simply by running into melee range and fighting him. FFS, the guy takes upwards of 9 seconds to stack his passive if he doesn't land the blade or W you.. And his auto attacks aren't exactly doing critical amounts of damage.