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I want to be able to play Veigar again. QQ

Kaxi·8/20/2015, 8:08:58 AM·5 votes·973 views

I literally cried during my last game because I couldn't land any of his stupid skillshots because his CC is unreliable. I even built a Rylai's to GIVE him CC on his Baleful Strike [Q]. His dueling is absolutely trash now, and he has no punish game outside the once-in-a-blue-moon Event Horizon [E] that can be walked out of. For the love of god, please, give him something to work toward. Right now, I just can't do anything on this champion. People in Gold+ aren't stupid. They can evade the Event Horizon. There's no way a Veigar can outplay anyone on his own unless you somehow manage to corral an idiot in a terrible position...and even then you will probably still die because he jut can't hit anything. He's a scaling champion that can't effectively use hit kit, and I'm just so upset about what has happened to him. Screw the people who found out that support Veigar was broken. I want to be able to play this champion the way he was meant to be played again. Give me back the first champion I ever fell in love with. Please. Riot. This would be the best thing ever if you could just fix him to where he isn't unreliable and winds up doing no damage in trades.

/rantover /tearsstillflow

TL;DR He needs reliability. Do something to his dead-weight Dark Matter [W] or fix his gameplay issues of having unreliable CC and no mobility. Why should I play Veigar as he is right now, Riot? I used to love this champion to death; allow me to play him again the way I could before.

10 Comments

kombu8/20/2015, 8:29:21 AM1 votes

I think veigar is meant to be a high risk high reward champion. for example if you hit your stun and land your combo chances are you can 100-0 someone without them being able to do anything. If you could always land his full combo as if it were point and click hed be way too strong.

But that's just my personal opinion.

redniwediS8/20/2015, 8:35:16 AM1 votes

Adaptation is your friend. Other people have learned how to put his abilities to use in their most effective way, if you look forward instead of behind you will as well.

Posui Gart8/20/2015, 8:36:57 AM1 votes

So you say Veigar with his targeted ult is unreliable? His Q is actually easy to land in duel, his E stops all dashes, and old Veigar was all about that cheese-instastun with E. While he still needs buff, his Q and E should not be reverted so he will not become another "0 counterplay champion" that are either OP or useless. And his W is godlike in teamfights with its low cd and 100% AP scale. You don't even need to stun with E, just let one of your allies hit their stun and then W-Q on them. And if you want to see what "unreliable" really means-try playing AP Ez against Yasuo

CrazedPorcupine8/20/2015, 8:42:28 AM1 votes

you're just bad. I consistently get A+/S- grades with Veigar mid.

Crett8/20/2015, 10:25:00 AM1 votes

Awesome champion, but he's an outdated design.

Veigar isn't fine to me. His kit FUNCTIONS. I don't think he lives up to his character in his current state. His main problems lie in his E, but not directly; His reliance on this ability to set up his pattern (which completely destabilizes if he can't land it, leading to awkward stare downs between cage walls and fumbled Ws, wasted mana) makes his other abilities seem dysfunctional. If he lands this ability, he instantly becomes reliable, allowing him to blow you to smithereens with impunity. This is why he sometimes seems like such a great champion. But he just isn't fun this way, not for me

He can do some nice zoning and his teamfight potential is high, (VERY high) but his gameplay pattern feels like just way too much mispotential not to be slightly upset about.

He shouldn't be centered around his cage, either. It's a strength of his, and he can use it for teamfighting, zone control, chasing, self defense, but the real changes need to happen to the REST of his kit at this point. NOT his E.

He could be more fun to fight, and he could be more fun to play. It's not a question of how GOOD he is, and it's not a question of where he grips it. It's a simple question of weight ratios. A five ounce bird cannot carry a two pound coconut.

A villain shouldn't be predictable. His cage should just be a tool he employs, not a defining factor of his trades. Beating Veigar should be about playing his game. But how can we make this fun for BOTH players (as well as in teamfights), while maintaining his fantasy AND keeping him a reliable pick?

There's really no sense in arguing his E change; it needed to happen, and his problem isn't in his E. It's that he relied on it for the rest of his pattern. This means to me, that we should look at how we can improve Veigar's kit as a whole. I think it's possible that his whole kit aside from E needs to be reworked. Overhauling an outdated design doesn't work, because the original design had a different vision and playstyle in mind. meaningful tweaking it can only break it one way or another (see Olaf Kassadin and Ryze )