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Enchanters have absolutely zero skill expression

Worst Kench NA·3/8/2019, 6:32:16 AM·1 votes·2,148 views

I'll prove it to you right now.

Soraka Q: Without a doubt the quickest and easiest skillshot to hit in the game. W: Literally just point and click on your ADC E: Barely even qualifies as a skillshot as it's instant. R: You don't even need to click on anyone for this thing.

Janna Q: Aim it pretty much anywhere because the radius for it is huge, press it again when someone walks in front of it. Slight bonus points for being a harder move to pull off than all of Raka's kit combined. W: Point and click for a free slow that feels more like a max Nasus W than anything else. E: Literally just point and click on your ADC R: You don't even need to click on anyone for this thing.

Karma (this champion is a total mess and isn't even a complete enchanter but I'll include her anyways) Q: Perhaps the only ability that any of these champs have that actually takes skill to use. Unless you're willing to wait for your R to come up so it never misses. W: Point and click E: Point and click R: just exists to nullify any skill expression from her Q

Sona Q: Press button when near enemy W: Press button when near ally E: Press button R: Aim simple skillshot that can pass through enemies and has a huge width

Nami Q: Actually the easiest skillshot in the game to hit. No one that actually plays this character seriously ever misses bubbles. Any skill that this ability might take is negated by her extremely easy to hit R and her core item item 3905 W: Point and click E: Point and click R: Easier version of Sona's ult

Taric Q: Press button W: Point and click E: Actually takes skill to use effectively, still only makes it 1.5 out of 23 for enchanter abilities so far R: Just ask your superior (i.e your ADC) when to use this ability

Lulu Q: Use this after pressing W on the enemy champ and it will always hit (take item 3905 if it's still too difficult) W: Point and click E: Point and click R: Point and click (Losing to this champ in particular makes me angry because all she has to do is polymorph+Q me and then E+R her ADC and I'm 100% dead every time. Zero skill expression in any of that.)

This isn't meant to bash enchanters or the people that play them at all, rather it is a statement of fact towards the extremely low skill ceilings that all of these champs have, and a message to Riot to rework them all in to something that can actually demonstrate skillful play through methods other than those that every single other champ in the game can do.

20 Comments

Silly Neeko3/8/2019, 8:25:38 AM11 votes

Actually your post is a very good example of why enchanters and enchanter players have such a bad name. Because people like you can not understand or think about anything other than "this is easy. This is hard." Etc. It shows your lack of knowledge if nothing else.

You state multiple times "this is the easiest skill shot to land" which obviously there can not be multiple easiest.

You fail to understand that most of that stuff involves timing and working with the other players enough for them to even have a clue what the stuff does, which often is needing explained to people.

The list goes on about your failure to understand at basic levels, but now to go to the champion specific points:

Soraka - 450 champ meaning she is meant to be easy for other people to use who are just getting into supporting or who are new players. Her Q is semi easy to hit, however it puts her in range of enemy champions to punish her hard. Her W costs her own health so she has to mix the W and Q to avoid literally killing herself. It costs more health the more health she has so she is either forced to go to 3000 with warmog or to be near full ap support with no survivability and is often targetted even before the ADC. Her E has a long cooldown and to just use it for damage is a very bad idea. It means you can not interupt the Katarina from jumping in and ulting... etc. Needs to have map awareness and watching ally health and what is going on to have it that low and when you can use the ultimate for the best results.

Janna - another newer player champion, but needs more timing. She disengages mostly and if she wants to W someone, she is put into auto range of the enemy ADC.... she would have to use it while the ADC is going for a minion for safest results, which depending on enemy support could be very bad. Personally, i find Janna's Qs very predictable. To the point that I actually have started pinging where they are headed in laning phase.... with pretty accurate results. Her shield needs timing to use it when someone is going to be taking damage, or before the ADC goes in for the attack boost. The sooner it is used, the less effective it is because it decays. The ultimate is disengage or engage if you do it right, it often isnt very useful for healing persay.... but it does work well at times for healing too.

Karma - Uses Q mostly yes, however using empowered W can provide that extra sustain for a bait or to survive a gank... and empowered E makes for turning teamfights or speeding a seige. She is fairly known for what she does and how she does it so there isnt much need to explain more about that.

Sona - while the abilities are straight forward, mana management is a major issue along with her squishiness. She uses her Passive to do more damage with Q.... but using the empowered W auto for damage reduce, or empowered E auto for singling out a target in various situations is what seperates an average Sona from a Great sona.

Nami - Her Q is harder to hit than you might think unless you literally are fighting a bot. Most do not realize you can use Q to help your ADC get back to lane. You can use your E on an ally adc when they are farming under turret to help last hit the casters after a turret shot etc, as well as slow enemies which does make it easier to hit your Q yes, as well as give your adc a speed boost to finish off an enemy. Your W is fairly straight forward as well yes, but also you can use it on an enemy to bounce further onto an ally to possibly hit another enemy... or it just helps the adc kite more. The ultimate used either engage or disengage and also helps speed up allies for engages or disengages.

Taric - starter into tank champions. Basic kit resulting because of that. Mana management is a major issue of his due to his ability to spam the stuff. His E takes practice to hit, especially when you are trying to work with it off of another champion... and with his ultimate? Probably the hardest to time in the game because it is very delayed. Either your allies die before it hits, or the enemy team backs off and waits for it to go out. You think some ADC will be able to tell you... generally through text because you usually will not be in voice chat with them... when to use it? You are actually joking yourself there.

Lulu - while fairly simple on paper, again requires working with the ADC or ally in general to make best use. Shielding or damage or extended Q range by using it on a minion... attack speed and move speed boost or removing an enemy from the equation for a few seconds. Ultimate to engage or disengage or just to save someone with a little extra health....

But please. Continue with saying enchanters have no skills.

Metal Janna3/8/2019, 7:49:59 AM9 votes

I can't tell if this guy is memeing and I should upvote or not. What laughable bullshit.

chipndip13/8/2019, 7:21:28 AM7 votes

Nami's core item: Twin Shadows

Sure, enchanters are horribly designed, but your thread is just as bad.

Sevens Sin3/9/2019, 2:49:38 AM6 votes

this is a joke. it has to be. Soraka Q fastest skillshit and Twin Shadows Nami core item ROFL.

Kazekiba3/8/2019, 7:00:06 AM6 votes

Soraka Q easy to HAHAHAHAHa Quick? Okay yeah uhhh if you only look at the visuals and ignore it has an actual travel time and its massively slower than say Leblanc this instant death hook

No one who seriously plays a champion in botlane is hit by Nami bubbles unless theyre already CC'd. We gonna just ignore the 0.75 second cast time on Nami's E that gets her killed if she's engaged on? Actually way harder to use version of Sona's ultimate, but its actually a lot closer to say, Maokai 's Ult but narrower and with less CC attached (a lot faster but the long duration of Mao's R is why its so strong) or an objectively weaker Ornn R

Assassins are hard countered by a fairy and her pixie companion Cry me a -- Nevermind, Nami already took care of that river thing. Lulu's entire niche is being a counter to Assassins, since Assassins naturally prey on ADCs and ADCs prey on tanks which prey on mages/assassins. Lulu is nothing more than an extra arrow in the balance triangle (and is countered by mage supports or tank supports since 300 HP doesnt stop CC, tanks can outlast the Polymorph, Q does nothing to them and Nami's E is strictly better for increasing a marksman's damage) So yeah, she's doing her job. Also the highest skill ceiling of any enchanter because a) 6 spells, b) the exact target is as important as the timing, and she has twice as many targets for all of her spells

Morgana Best girl btw. Just kidding its actually Lux

Boatwhistle3/8/2019, 6:59:44 AM3 votes

Personally I am hoping the up coming enchanter will be more enjoyable as I like the concept but I get bored of them a couple minutes into lane as they aren't rewarding.

JuiceBoxP3/9/2019, 9:31:02 PM2 votes

Nami Q: Actually the easiest skillshot in the game to hit. No one that actually plays this character seriously ever misses bubbles.

her core item item 3905

WHAT THE FUCK DID I JUST READ??????

HP Crookshanks3/8/2019, 6:41:44 PM2 votes

At least they require a brain to play unlike smashing your head to the keyboard to get kill with some braindead champions.

Also Karma is not even an enchanter and she is one of the weakest mage for months.

Deliberate Inter3/9/2019, 3:18:55 AM2 votes

If what you said were true janna, nami and raka wouldn't be such prevalent scripter champions in Korea and ionia servers

ZephyrDrake3/9/2019, 3:26:15 AM2 votes

There is so much wrong in this thread it's actually hilarious. When you start by saying that Soraka's Q is the easiest skillshot to land in the game then you know it's bad.

KFCeytron3/9/2019, 4:01:58 AM1 votes

Enchanters are pretty great, actually.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZJZK6rzjns

I love cowboys3/9/2019, 3:04:31 AM1 votes

Not quite, I would say that playing enchanters easily requires more skill than... uh...

Installing League of Legends?

Jarring3/9/2019, 3:07:33 AM1 votes

soraka is actually my favorite champion in the game. Lol.. Only support I really enjoy playing anyways. Her skill ceiling is real deceptive. Due to her having such short c/ds especially on W, you actually have to be really fast to push soraka to her limit.

I mean...it's easier said than done..

Throwing accurate Qs Es AAing, all the while Wing your adc or other teammates literally every second on the dot...and don't forget item actives.. summoners..

If the enemy bot lane isn't brain dead, hitting a q is pretty difficult...which is why most rakas put a few points into E early instead of just maxing W asap. Also her Equinoxes can be hit or miss even at the highest of elos. It's a real important aspect of her kit, and good Es win games. At the same time lots of noob rakas max q and just throw her equinox away leaving it on a 20 second c/d.

I really love LB and Ekko, but Soraka is the most satisfying champion to play, and I get more respect playing her than any 1v9s with anything else.

lol those are my top 3 anyways. #1 Soraka #2 LB #3 Ekko

Only have one penta here with Ekko.

I got a lot more in HoN DotA 2 and DotA Allstars. Shit I got several just in the beta of HoN, but I didn't play it much after it officially released anyways.

Though I was in the beta of LoL, I played HoN instead cuz it was closer to what I was used to (DotA AllstaRS)

Midg3t3/9/2019, 3:17:13 AM1 votes

Ohh pls OP, The Master of Hard Champions, enlight us with your wisdom and tell us why is/are your main champion/s so hard to play compared to whole fucking role. I'm so ready to listen to you so I can be The Master of Skill-Expressive Champions like you. Fuck Faker, fuck xPeke, fuck Bjergsen, fuck Rick and Morty 300 IQ fans, Worst Kench NA is the:

  • Alpha
  • Beta
  • and MADAFAKING Omega of skill expresion