Let's get one thing clear: Queues.

KillerKell·5/12/2016, 1:19:40 AM·9 votes·944 views

It's simple.

Riot takes a look, and sees how many people log on and join Dynamic Q each day, every day.

As long as that number sustains, they have no reason at all to change. None.

Polls don't matter. We vote every single day for or against Dynamic Queue whether we realize it or not.

Those that play, regardless of what they say on YouTube or the Forums or Reddit, ACTIVELY tell Riot that Dynamic Q is fine and doesn't need changed. Because they are still willing to play it. Regardless of how much they trash it in their spare time.

That's the only 'Poll' Riot cares about. The vast majority would rather stay and play Dynamic Q than quit because of Dynamic Q... which justifies Riot to continue Dynamic Queue.

Because the Polls and the Threads are invalidated every single time Riot looks and sees no decline in Ranked Play Activity.

The 'Majority' speaks by logging on and playing Dynamic Queue, and that's the only Majority Riot cares about.

It doesn't matter if you PREFER Solo over Dynamic... because if you choose Dynamic over Quitting they have no need to change what they've done. They only will be forced to make a change if they lose significant player base. Period.

Just giving you the reality.

19 Comments

JakeTheTwink5/12/2016, 2:12:14 AM4 votes

Good point. But it creates an obvious sort of impasse for dedicated but unhappy players. Sigh. It really seems like Riot just doesn't give a damn about the player base.

Veraska5/12/2016, 6:49:16 PM2 votes

I wonder if the ranked player base has increased since the introduction of dynamic Q? If it's decreased then that means it's not working, if it's stagnant that means the ranked playerbase is just tolerating it, but if it's increased wouldn't that mean that the system is better and there's a very vocal minority opposing it? That's how I would view the data at least

I wouldn't know where to find data like that tho

Fovere5/12/2016, 8:39:41 PM2 votes

The reality is you don't know Riot's numbers or reasoning, and it can't be used as an argument either way.

For all we know the numbers have been dropping, it wouldn't surprise me.

It's not likely people are going to up and quit over a change they don't like, some will, sure, but we've been here 6 years now? We'll try to make it work.

The net result will be, over time, fewer players, and far fewer enthusiasts as this game moves from a competitive, to a more casual base

OldDirtay5/12/2016, 6:23:47 PM1 votes

all these posts and ur upvote counter seems to be going down overall

#worth?

and btw, if u love dynamic que, why make all the soloque posts? if ur trying to shut people up...it wont happen otherwise i dont see a point besides farming upvotes?

i mean i know ur dumb but i know u cant be dumb enough to think ur gonna shut everyone up about a change a majority of people can agree against...shit online u wont be able to shut up one person no matter how much facts u explain to em...kinda reminds me of this guy i met named killer

u could tell em every fact in the world and it wouldnt matter bc his underlying assumption (thats wrong) somehow proves his case? (it doesnt)

like idk where ur going, or tried to go, but i know ur wrong in the points ur making

ur literally saying stuff like well people keep buying water so we shouldnt serve soda..... (people keep playing dynamic so there is no need/reason to change it)

no, there is reason to change it (like many reasons i and others have gone over) but!!!!! there is no reason NOT to change something based on the fact people either use it or how many people actually use it

so hard to get past this basic point and i have no idea why or how to explain it any better than showing these examples and merely just saying that the amount of people who play a que, does not indicate anything as far as needing to fix anything it merely shows the number of people playing that que

idk what is so hard to understand about that, nor do i understand how u come to all these conclusions like riot wont change it cuz of X amount of people playing, or they will only change it if X amount of people quit, etc, etc

please if u answer anything about this post, explain how u get these conclusions^

otherwise stop repeating the same bs that makes no sense and is only YOUR ASSUMPTIONS

OldDirtay5/12/2016, 7:57:24 PM1 votes

KK: Umm, yes. Yes it is. Not playing Dynamic Queue in League to play Ranked in DOTA II, Smite or HotS is absolutely an option to Play Ranked. Stop playing dumb.

this is the summed up version of this conversation

ur answer to how there is more than one choice to play ranked atm, your answers are the thing u dont like dont play or play ranked in A WHOLE DIFFERENT GAME

those arent choices for playing ranked on league of legends, everytime u respond its like u missed wtf i was saying in the first place and u hang onto certain words like a lifeline....

like the word ranked, you realize the only option atm to play ranked in league of legends is dynamic que....so instead of just saying thats the only choice for ranked, you add the choice of "to play ranked, you can choose not to play" which isnt a choice when ur choices are supposed to be TO QUE UP FOR LEAGUE...like holy shit dude lol then once that gets explained u move to ranked of OTHER GAMES as a choice to play RANKED ON LEAGUE.... i didnt ask what choices do i have to play in a rank setting on other games i asked what choices do i have to play league of legends ranked atm? which is ONE CHOICE BEING DYNAMIC.....

literally everything u say is just dumb, or just makes no logical sense....

whats gets me is you never show proof of ANYTHING and you always ASSUME, since X is here Y must be here.

its a big circle of this over and over and over, yet you state assumptions as if facts....with no facts

if ur going to make an assumption, then follow it with a fact

like this, riot wont give the people an east coast server because they dont want to split the playerbase fact part=/points to thread showing a red say that

this is what you sound like riot will fix the game if we all stand together your fact be like= meanwhile i point to things not getting changes more often than not with the community behind them then u say something like well people play it so they must like it or support it or riot counts it as fine w/e your fact be like= then i ask how does people playing it mean they support it? how does riot count the amount of players as a success or fail of anything? esp when it comes to a choice between ques where only one option is available at the moment? your response and facts be like=

and this is the problem, keep it 50-50 with assumptions and facts, or keep assumptions below 50 and facts above 50

otherwise save us the time and just stfu with ur nonsense, come back with facts

OldDirtay5/12/2016, 9:09:29 PM1 votes

KK: Coming from a guy who says he plays a game he doesn't like or enjoy. Right... I sound dumb.

um that was literally a quote from ur response, but way to think i was the one saying that...unless that was what i meant and i just happen to write it word for word right after you said it...

btw totally disregard my response to that statement where i said the games not broken and its the que not the game itself...just skip right over that and assume im playing a broken game i dont enjoy (even tho i said i enjoy it and its not broken) but again facts to you are irrelevant

KK: Again, all I've given are facts. All you've given are straw.

ok sure, name one then...its all you have given so it shouldnt be hard, u know where all mine are so shet man hit me with the facts im ready i been waitin!!!!!

OldDirtay5/12/2016, 9:27:02 PM1 votes

this whole thing u put out

riot is about money nothing more

yes dynamic que does make it ezier for people to get brought in and rank up to a rank they dont deserve if they use a 5 man while everyone not using one still have to deal with all those problems

and throwing the vets out for new people is a ok move?

strong player base? lemme ask how strong will a player base be if u constantly neglect them and do the opposite of what most people want? it will decline in time and its already started

undermine the rank system and ruin integrity/balance a bit more etc for bringing new players to the game?

think they lost sight of having a hardcore playerbase who love to play it and help bring friends in rather than look we made everything ez for you, ranking ez now...just u know...dont play if u dont have 5 people bc...yes....

longer que times? yea....

this is dumb logic, their hardcore playerbase and listening to their fans is what got them to where they are in the first place

but then again lets keep looking at history, what happens when game companys start saying fk what they think? they start becoming dead right? wow got super ez, most quit.... anyone see a pattern? seems if u dont cater to bad people and u dont undermine your community you get ahead looks like as soon as u start saying fk it and undermine the community for the projection of possible new people (who 50-50 chances are wont stay) is dumb and even if it works, its a matter of time before its declined to the point that even coming back it wont ever get to where it was

but thats fine i guess who cares about hardcore players feelings who cares what most people think who cares ranked means almost nothing who cares matches a even more unequal who cares i can still get afks unless i 5 man who cares i can still get trolls and feeders unless i 5 man who cares we have longer que times who cares teams can have vocal superiority as far as voice chat, roaming, tping, ganking etc

im sure that was all worth the -being able to now play ranked with 5 people, instead of just normals blind, normals draft, aram, TT, urf, oneforall,hexakill, poroking,etc

ur right, i cant see anything wrong with that tradeoff at all

/sarcasm off

KillerKell5/12/2016, 1:51:19 AM1 votes

LOL! I love down votes that don't bring any substance. Good job. :D

OldDirtay5/12/2016, 9:36:00 PM1 votes

btw there are PLENTY of youtube videos saying plenty of things about riot that are true and they dont want heard, sure they can ban people from saying it in game or on forums or on twitch, but u know what wont change

people opinions facts

u think they are never gonna play outside of a 5 man grp and never encounter a troll? he never gonna look up matchmaking after a loss when his team is a combined 0/30 and he is 10/1 and lost only to find out that the enemy team is miles above them in MR and also was premade etc? he never gonna look that up and question is it fair that all silver faught all golds etc?

dont get me wrong, when i went thru bronze way back when there was diamonds in my game and it used to be alot worse...but honestly i think back and think it wasnt that bad....sure that dude got super fed and u had to play 100% to even think of winning but at the same time u know what didnt happen all the time?

2 4 man ganked before 8 minutes bot lane, double tp's during ganks, people not arguing and running down mid (which still happens if ur not ina 5 man) chance for an afk on either team was pretty much 50-50...some say its more inclined to happen to the other team but honestly its 50-50...just because u know you already are on the not afk 50-50 side but everyone is a coinflip....everyone could be afk but you, likewise there could only be one afk in the game and its on your team....now with the introduction of premades, not all the time do premades equal up (aka 3+2 vs 5, 4+1vs3+2 etc) so chances are even more skewed in that sense

dynamic que has SO MANY CONS and like 2 benefits (one being able to play with friends in ranked, and the other "benefit" is not getting an afk/toxic person on your team (ONLY IF 5MAN)

those 2 "benefits" arent worth the list of like cons that follow along and destroy other aspects for it...not worth at all and i havent heard a valid argument supporting why playing with ur friend is better than pretty much destroying 10 other things?

OldDirtay5/12/2016, 5:42:35 PM1 votes

u can make a new thread but the points wont change

ur right if the numbers dont change then it shouldnt...but the numbers have changed, pretty significantly so this argument is dumb and not needed so numbers arent sustained and it should be changed...you are correct...... or, are there just as many people playing dynamic as played soloque? exactly, it has changed

polls do matter to anyone with a brain, it shows what people who participated in the poll would prefer....unless what we prefer doesnt matter in which case it kind of should...

no we dont vote for dynamic que....first let me explain the word vote vote=a formal indication of a choice between two or more candidates or courses of action, expressed typically through a ballot or a show of hands or by voice. what part of me queing up for rank suggests i vote for DQ? dont link playing DQ to preferring it or supporting it...ESP if its the ONLY QUEUE available second, that literally is not a vote by definition.... the only thing u can link to how many people play dynamic is how many people want to play ranked, and even that is skewed considering most stopped playing ranked because of this change....playing DQ does NOT imply you VOTED for it or SUPPORT it...it simply means you want to play ranked

i dont think u realize that we in fact DONT vote when we play dynamic que. please understand this

those that play dont in fact tell riot that, how do i know? look at the boards, ask anyone playing the game...dont go off ur assumptions and think they are facts...look for the facts and base ur opinions off them thats literally like saying feral flare was ok because people played ranked still....no, it was a toxic item and a toxic part of the game and needed to be changed and only after threads upon threads explaining why did they get rid of it (btw to just add it to a new item with even stronger stats while not taking out the toxic "leave ur team to 4v5" ascept) granted it did get changed but how long did it take, how many fk ups did they have to fix, and how much did we have to hollar to get it changed? alot.....but to sit here and say we chose to have feral flare cuz we played ranked is retarded...and ur using this same logic but taking out feral flare and adding dynamic que....

thats not a poll, and riot cares about money period...not polls not anything else....money...they are a company, this should be easy to comprehend

ur right, a majority would still rather play league of legends than quit simply because of a terrible changed made not to the game itself but in the way u que up for said game.....but to say dynamic shouldnt change because people play it is dumb at best

the majority doesnt "speak" or voice their opinions on the matter, they simply que for ranked...its as simple as that....now if there was a poll everytime u que'd then casted a vote then yea, people would be speaking their opinions on the matter but thats not the case....they are simply using the only route to ranked at the moment and attaching anything to it like well that must mean X or w/e is retarded, stop doing that

"It doesn't matter if you PREFER Solo over Dynamic... because if you choose Dynamic over Quitting they have no need to change what they've done. They only will be forced to make a change if they lose significant player base. Period."

wrong, wrong, and wrong again

if i choose to play dynamic que over quitting it means i like playing the game more than how much i hate dynamic que...its that simple not quitting gives them no need to change anything? see feral flare reference the only way to force a change is to get alot of people to quit? how did feral flare change? how did any toxic kits get changed? how did anything get changed? im sure it wasnt quitting bc people are still here....so if its period then how did all these things happen conisdering people, esp a large number, didnt quit?

i love how u say this is the reality and u have no idea wtf reality even is lmao u want reality? riot wont change shit if its gonna make them more money want more? riot doesnt care on ur preference or feelings on anything as long as they are getting paid want more? riot is a company their job is to make money, riots history clearly shows the same pattern over the last 6 yrs

talking about reality checks, you need a huge one man

ur idea wont work ur plan is garbage to begin with and u refuse to accept basic facts about the situation /points to other thread where everyone agree'd the same way except one person....can u guess who it was killer? ill give u a hint if u walk next to a mirror look in it and thats the person =)

stop being dumb, use ur brain, and accept facts plz...stop going off assumptions like if u play it thats a vote! or other dumb shit like YOU HAVE OPTIONS! then proceed to tell me my options are DQ or nothing or another game....those arent options thats literally DQ or something else...when it comes to a choice of league que's there is NO OTHER CHOICE than DQ...understand it, learn, accept facts dude*[zombie-brand-facepalm]*

OldDirtay5/12/2016, 5:48:30 PM1 votes

btw to anyone trying to understand what he is thinking, here

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/mKKbr0es-heres-your-chance-wanting-solo-q-back?show=flat

its hard to read i can understand, but if u keep watching what he says he literally keeps linking things that dont link and wont accept facts

ull waste ur time trying to explain it to em, thats why i figured id snuff this off the cuff

read and judge for yourselves