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To the people who are angrily writing comments in bring soloq back threads

DefNotABot·5/9/2016, 9:06:03 PM·102 votes·3,586 views

Please don't let your emotions get the better of your reasoning. I want Soloq back as much as the next guy but reading the pro-soloq comments sometimes makes me disappointed.

Please don't say stuff like "I'm stuck in bronze now because I soloq instead of dynamic queue" or "Bringing soloq back will solve every problem like long queue times."

Firstly, dynamic queue does make it harder for a soloq player to make an impact on the game since they don't have the ability to communicate as well and tend to get less help from your premades and more ganks from the enemy premade. That being said, your winrate should be more towards 50% (depending on how you perform), not significantly higher or lower because of dynamic queue. (though obviously I don't have the stats. It's just reasonable to assume since the enemy soloq players will be in the same boat)

Secondly, the long queue times are not necessarily solely because of dynamic queue. Although I don't have the statistics, it's safe to assume that pure soloq may actually take longer to get into queue. Why? because premades must cover +1 role more than the number of players in their group. A 2 man premade MUST cover 3 roles. a 3 man premade must cover 4 roles. and a 4 man premade must cover all roles INCLUDING support. Yes, I UNDERSTAND that matchmaking looks for premades of equal sizes to group together so the system must look for a 2/3/4/5 man in order to match up another 2/3/4/5 man. However, that is an issue for dynamic queue players only, not soloq players who will fill the cracks.

Thirdly, you can't say the majority of the community prefer/don't prefer dynamic queue. We don't have the statistics and just because a small portion of the angry go on the boards, that doesn't mean it speaks for everyone

And finally, while I wish Riot would respond more to talk to us about this, understand that it's difficult for an employee of Riot to keep responding to the sheer number of bring soloq back threads. The Riot employees that are on the boards probably don't have access to all the information and decisions that the company is making and they can't make promises since everything is tentative. Sure, I'd love Riot to come out and be open with us about everything but that's just not possible to do without getting more hopes up or sparking flames of anger/disappointment.

So please, if you're going to make a comment or thread about bringing soloq back. Let's keep our heads cool and use some logic and common sense. Some people are getting too hotheaded

53 Comments

UberAffe5/9/2016, 11:01:09 PM27 votes

Thank you for being a reasonable human being.

PDE5 Inhib5/10/2016, 3:27:18 AM10 votes

I mean, I know a friend who basically quit playing because of the new dynamicQ. Made it to diamond last year...has a negative win rate in gold this year lol.

Fovere5/10/2016, 3:24:52 AM10 votes

No, there is literally no argument for having DQ in ranked gameplay. None.

The entire purpose of ranked is an accurate ladder, which DQ absolutely prevents.

DQ has always existed as normal games, draft normal if you want the draft/new champ select experience.

There are many reasons DQ could affect win rates/climbing, but by and large OP is correct. Most of the stuff involving premades working against you in one match can just as easily work for you in another.

If you're playing a ton of ranked, with infinite patience, you should climb.

Quepha5/9/2016, 11:22:15 PM9 votes

But if you take out all the bad arguments for solo queue there are no arguments left...

Eevee In A Jar5/10/2016, 7:29:31 AM5 votes

The reason why people hate Dyn Q is because it defeats the purpose of rank. More than half of my friends list are people who abused Dyn boosting. Most of them were significantly lower rank than me and I still play with them every now and then. They are getting boosted heavily. It makes all my efforts feel like shit and worthless.

So while you say stuff like "dont let your emotions get the best of you," you got horrid players who don't know basics like how to CS or how to freeze lane or how to orb walk or HOW TO SIDE STEP getting to plat and diamond while I'm still ranking up by myself and in plat; because I WANT TO SEE WHERE I RANK BY MYSELF not HOW HIGH CAN I GET CARRIED. Ironically I'm being called elo boosted by bronze players on the forums because I claimed Ekko is too strong right now. So a player who has gotten to plat multiple times alone struggling to get back to plat 1 after many diamonds who were boosted in my games... then you have bunch of players who can't solo carry out of bronze yet got boosted by their buddy is now diamond. Fun. Can you blame anyone for being mad?

The best comparison I can relate this to is legit you work hard for a company expecting a raise/promotion sooner or later but instead your coworker who has done 0 work is awarded things YOU should be getting for your hard work. How do I have motivation to play when I'm going to get to diamond and get queued up with trash players who can't do anything in bronze? Literally during my plat 1 climb, all I had are REALLY bad diamonds who went 0/5 in the first 3 minutes, they start raging about our jungler being a n-word and never ganking, and then they afk... I mean it's like bronze behavior is now accepted at this ELO simply because they got boosted up and is now demanding everyone cater around them.

THIS IS WHY Dyn Q is frustrating to the point you want to rip your hair off then force feed it to yourself.

Ardwenel5/11/2016, 2:55:31 PM3 votes

Dynamic Que is the single worst thing that has happened to this game, and this is coming from a person who has played since mid-2012. It has made all of my friends not just quit League but actively hate the game. I'm inclined to agree with them. Dynamic Que as a solo player creates a dynamic where you are not and never will be part of the team. It does not matter how well you play, or how friendly you are - the "team" is the 3-4 buddies together in voice chat and you are simply nothing more than a random factor that, at best, might be tolerated and at worst must be harassed and pushed to the sidelines.

At least in the old Soloque you had to make a token effort to come together because no one knew anyone else, you were all in the same damn boat and it was sink or swim. Now? Now there's a boat already there, but there's only room for four and the waters are shark infested.

Timelessblur5/10/2016, 3:01:41 AM3 votes

Honestly the reason I want solo quo is I am tired of being the 1 person on a 4 man team.

From all the game I have played the ones where is 4 in a group and 1 random here is what I learn.

I do something wrong. Expect 4 people to go toxic. Expect truly zero help at all. They are not going to come to what ever lane I am in.
Since it is a players on the other team. I can fully expect to be camped as odd are my lane opposite is not there solo player. It really makes it not as much fun. Also expect to have to some how know what is going on in their voice coms. Not knowing what they are planning translates into being blamed when something goes wrong but zero communication.

I just want it so there is none of that randomness. Lets make it so everyone is on the same page. Or at the very least put in voice coms in the game. At least then the one solo player would have some type of idea on what is going on.

Ragaren5/10/2016, 4:25:44 AM3 votes

Dynamic queue gives more advantages than simple communication.

For one you get a better chance of getting the role you want in champion select.
EX: 4 people queue together, at the very least 3 out of the 4 will get their desired role.

You know each others strengths and weaknesses and can play accordingly to that. EX: my brother is aggresive so usually the enemy laner is low, therefore as a jungler it is best to gank him early to start a snowball effect.

Finally you have communication, which in diamond and high plat isn't as huge of an advantage as it would be compared to plat 5 and below. Communication helps increase map awareness and allows for better team synergy.

This all would be bearable if dynamic queue were to put 3 man premades against other 3 man premades, but most of the time I get games where its a 3-4 man vsing 5 randoms or 2 man group. It gives players a distinct advantage, and people who shouldn't be in diamond/plat/gold are stuck in there.

I agree people don't need to be Aggressive to get their point across, but dynamic queue is far from fair and players are getting frustrated because riot refuses to give up on it.

BluePolarizer5/10/2016, 7:21:40 AM3 votes

I was plat 1 season 5.

It is harder to play in plat 5 against golds in season 6, than it was to play in plat 1 in season 5 against diamonds.

Golds didn't suddenly get better. They just got premades.

SlaktarTasken5/10/2016, 5:39:26 PM3 votes

I've had a 53% winrate for the last 150 to 200 games in Gold 3-2, I've dipped down to a 52% avarage at some point then improved it back to 53% with no impact on my climbing at all.

I honestly wouldn't care so much if the quality of games were felt better when playing solo, but alas, the experience is lackluster.

Thus I think I'm giving up on this game. I don't feel like I make any progress when I win. And it's too hard to notice what I did wrong when I lose once again because of staggering ammounts of variance, premades etc, thus making it hard to know how to improve.

I dislike pretty much every change being made, all from the introduction of the ridiculous protobelt, to the overpowered dragons and riftherald not to mention the atrocious state of balance.

So, whatever. Hardly like it will make a difference, best of luck to all of you having the patience to stay.

PiVoRx5/10/2016, 6:16:19 AM2 votes

While you where writing this, 3 more threads appeared. There is no valid reason why keep DQ over SQ as ranked system. Ranked games are always a taste of competitivnes in every game but how you can call it competitive if as solo player you have to play against premade team? Do you imagine such system in soccer matches? That has no fucking way to work, just cause Riot forces us to play by their rules doesent mean they are right.

iamthegoatofwar5/10/2016, 2:29:00 AM2 votes

When the player base patience gauge reaches it peak rage overcomes reason and the league boards enter the berserk state. This form boasts extremely high offensive power, but since it is not a complete form the defense of it is weak. However should we win the battle or get a red to respond to our posts the amount of likes earned are more than double.

LunariarWarrior5/10/2016, 12:12:39 PM2 votes

I really hate this change to ranked. Yes I was Gold last season and I got placed in Bronze, but I climbed back to Gold and that's not my main issue with it. The main issue is that I'm a solo player and the climb from Bronze to Gold (did this before in Season 3) was WORST than the old system because of the pre-made teams. More or less, I'll queue up for and wait 15 minutes to be put in a team with a 4 man pre-made, and 25% of them try to screw me over when I got the role their buddies wanted, and they try to pull a fast one and either ban my champions I pre-selected or just tell me there's a visual bug with the client and it says I have a different role. It's at the point I don't argue with that nonsense and just accept it. The other part of the toxicity is if I mess up and they all just attack me in chat and just give up and suddenly, a game we could easily win just goes from a 45% to a 0% win chance. The only other issue I have with Dynamic queue is that I'm a bot lane main. I main both Marksman AND Support, with Marksman taking priority. The issue is if I put both of those roles into my role selection with support as secondary, I have a 15-20% of getting Marksman. I do understand all roles need to be covered, but at least with the old Solo/Duo queue system, I can queue up and ask for either and have a better chance of being a Marksman compared to this patch. Others will tell me to just select a different role as my secondary like Mid lane, but as I did that, I noticed I continue to get Mid more than Marksman. TL;DR give us solo players something to work with. I and apparently other solo players do not like this current ranked system.

StealthWarden5/10/2016, 12:36:41 PM2 votes

like long queue times

I can say this for certain...the Queue times get longer EVERY SINGLE PATCH

There is no reason in bronze or silver to have a 15 minute Q time...Something is just plain wrong.

I cant even get a match in less than 5 minutes if i click fill support...which is still a friggin joke btw.

Xeruon5/10/2016, 2:30:19 PM2 votes

Oh no, you used logic on the boards, be banished you fool!

/s

Silver Fluffenbu5/10/2016, 3:15:56 PM2 votes

your winrate should be more towards 50% (depending on how you perform), not significantly higher or lower because of dynamic queue. (though obviously I don't have the stats. It's just reasonable to assume since the enemy soloq players will be in the same boat)

it's not about comparing the stats of only soloq players across any team, it's that soloq players stats are on the same ladder as premade players.

soloq may actually take longer to get into queue.

when soloq previously existed, the times were not longer. most extended wait times are because of the teambuilder aspect of dynamic queue.

you can't say the majority of the community prefer/don't prefer dynamic queue. We don't have the statistics

maybe they just think it's safe to assume, right?

as an absolute, if players who only play on premade teams have a significantly higher winrate, then there should be separate queues, however, riot hasn't posted any raw numbers about it.

Also, I don't want to take sides, because, 1. premade teams seem more difficult to tilt, so they don't tilt me, but, 2. I dislike seeing an opposing premade of 3 vs our -everyone has a different clan tag.

Supreme Senpai695/10/2016, 3:37:19 PM2 votes

People assume everyone is on skype and counting timers and cooldowns. In reality, most people aren't even on skype. They just play with their friends because playing games with friends is fun and friends won't be super toxic every time you make a mistake. They won't intentionally feed or troll around. Or if they are on skype, they're just talking about work and school. I play with my friends and they suck at league. I just play with them because they're my friends.

Timelessblur5/10/2016, 6:59:56 PM2 votes

Things I learn from the people who tend to down vote and attack people not liking dynamic quo. It is those groups tend to be people playing with multiple friends. Dynamic quo to the true 90% solo only player hurts.
You are right some times in a group of 4 and being the only solo not so bad. But I tend to see the other away around. This is based only on games that I know it is 4 people grouped up with Tags. For every 1 good group I get 3 bad. Now it might get better at higher elo but sure as hell bad at lower elo.

Add in the fact that Riot has refused to release the numbers starts speaking volumes. What is the reporting rate, what is the toxic rate at each elo with fully solo vs premade with 1 rando.

Those should be number riots should release.

rtbf2256182415/10/2016, 3:44:13 PM1 votes

Except that we already got our response on the "Riot Pls!" post. They will most likely implement SoloQ back when DynamicQ proves to be completely unfixable of it's current issues which is pretty unlikely with the new client coming out soon enough.

Troll for Trump5/10/2016, 4:05:38 PM1 votes

55% WR over 209 games during s5 , and 51%WR over 107 games 26

CasterGilgamesh5/10/2016, 12:23:42 AM1 votes

First off the long fucking Q time is not from New Due Q it's from the lack of people who want support we hardly get anyone who wants support cus riot refuses to make them feel important (not saying it isn't support main here) since everyone and their grandma wants to mid no one ever fills roles they need hell i bet more people solo Qing for support would reduce the amount of solo Qers placed in with Due Qers since they also have someone to support for them which solo Qers don't have

TLDR we need riot to make supporting interesting and more people to play/main support

SpongebobIsLife5/10/2016, 3:06:10 AM1 votes

I completely agree with you.

Steel Blossom5/10/2016, 3:25:17 PM1 votes

Playing Dynamic queue like it's duo queue rn, gold 3 with a bit over 70% winrate. Aside from the fact that I somehow rarely get my primary role, I'd say that Dynamic queue is plummeting my winrate that much.

Simpumba5/11/2016, 11:49:42 AM1 votes

Honestly, the only reason I hate dynamic que is because I play with SO many players who don't deserve to be in my elo atm. I'm currently plat2, and at this point you should have all basics down and be able to play well. Well, I still see players who are atleast gold, or high silver. It just annoys the hell outta me that people can climb easier if they que with some friends. It's not stopping me from climbing, but I just had a gnar top who build hurricane botrk, so I just laughed and cried myself to sleep that day.