Can we make supports actually supports and not just second ADC's?

H00KIE·5/7/2019, 12:19:42 PM·4 votes·1,774 views

What is up with this? Why don't supports have to actually support anymore? Everytime you see a 'support', all they have that makes them a support is that one base item (relic shield, spellthiefs, ancient coin) and then the rest of their items are all damage based.

Supports are NOT supposed to be heavy damage dealers, they're supposed to provide utility and stuff like heals to their team. I'm sick of annoying lanes where I'm dealing with characters like vel or brand or lux poking me to death along with an ADC. Riot, please make supports actual supports.

18 Comments

4 Step Cadence5/7/2019, 12:25:17 PM3 votes

Well, you see, none of those champions are supports. They're mid laners people play support because they want to deal damage while providing absolutely nothing else to the team comp. People don't like to play normal supports for various reasons, so they play shit like that instead. After all, why be a Soraka or Janna that can save the entire team with a single button when you can play Brand and get a pentakill after you're entire team dies because you can do absolutely nothing to help them?

Thingamajig5/7/2019, 12:26:38 PM3 votes

supports damage matters only in the first 6 levels of the game except for mage supports that scale only from magic penetration and provide either a lot of zone control or aoe crowd control

other than that supports control vision and often initiate or peel dunno maybe you want them back as ward bots and walking bags of gold https://i.ytimg.com/vi/YPlaOePWiUI/maxresdefault.jpg the amazing state of supports

Pika Fox5/7/2019, 3:39:15 PM1 votes

Someone doesnt know what a support is or does.

AlienPrimate5/7/2019, 5:54:21 PM1 votes

Riot has nothing to do with what people want to play in a lane. I personally build these items every time on supportsitem 3001 item 3504 item 3174 item 3110 item 3109 item 3190 item 3222 item 3107 item 3800 item 3040 item 3050 item 3512

H00KIE5/7/2019, 8:28:42 PM1 votes

Oh I see how you got that, I didn't clarify which ones do provide utility in Pika's post. Let me just consult my encyclopedia of... oh wait I don't care.

Bottom line, supports should be supporting. Not melting.

Spiffy McBang5/7/2019, 3:31:05 PM1 votes

I'm a support main, and I deeply appreciate that I can two-trick Nami and Zyra in the same position. There are aspects to playing support which hold irrespective of champion; if you're frustrated with "non-supports" in the position, I wonder if it's because those players aren't doing what's expected of any support as opposed to the problem being their champion choices. Alternately, it could be that the players aren't playing those damage supports appropriately, but again, that's not a problem with the champs.

In the end, though, you're not going to get what you want, because Duff is right. There are times when it's simply left up to you to carry, and as strong as enchanters are right now, you will find teams who simply aren't on a level that your best game can fix. Nami has a better win rate than Zyra overall and is generally considered a stronger support, but I currently play Zyra every game because if I do well, we're going to win almost every time. It's much more of a crapshoot with Nami, because I can only heal and CC so much for teammates who play like lobotomized monkeys. I like having more control over my fate; most players do, I imagine.

If you're an ADC and you feel like you can make excellent use of a more classic support champ as a lane partner, tell your support in champ select. They may not all accede to your wishes, but some will. Some will be happy to play that type of champ, because they're like me—they only stopped because not enough teams or lane partners could make use of what they did. Just speak up.

xDogMeatx5/7/2019, 12:23:54 PM1 votes

the only way to make damage supports more healthy is either boost bases while nerf scaling harshly (reduces CC also) or vice versa while providing some more CC at the cost of base but has more scaling.