Is it way too hard to get an S rank playing support, or is it just me?

SlugForce·5/23/2016, 7:05:56 PM·74 votes·20,241 views

Yo support mains, am I the only one who feels they're getting shorted by the post-game grading system simply because I play support? I understand how the grades are based on gold, kills, assists, etc., but the fact that supports largely tend to accumulate the least gold compared to the rest of the team makes it significantly more difficult to get an S- or above rank.

I have had many games where I've contributed a significant amount to the win and only get A's. Some of the most recent have been 0/2/22; 2/1/19; 1/4/24; and 2/2/19; most of which were games where I had the best kda on my team and had teammates getting S grades, but not me because I had far less gold.

My point is that the grading system is skewed to favor roles where the most gold is accumulated, which is fair in all cases except for supports who can carry a game and yet still not have the gold needed for the grade deserved. I've found that some of the only ways to get the S- grade or better is if the game lasts 35ish minutes or longer, I steal some kills/cs, or I play absolutely perfect.

Isn't there a way to adjust the grading system only for supports to make it equivalent to other roles? When I go 0/5/21 and "supported" my adc in going 10/3/15, yes he deserves a good grade, but I don't as well?

121 Comments

QuantumLight5/23/2016, 7:10:17 PM24 votes

I don't main sup, but i havve been playing a lot of thresh to get mastery 7.

I think your right, It's much harder to get S rank on sups then adcs.

Also, sometime you die playing sup to save your teammates, and that basically shoots your chances of getting an S rank immediately. It turns into ditch your teammate for the S rank, but risk loosing the game because you didn't die for the carry.

Kal Vas Flam5/23/2016, 7:15:20 PM15 votes

Just another reason teams should love their support. We give up a lot so you can pad your kill count and sleep better at night.

Kynami5/23/2016, 8:52:33 PM8 votes

Guess I can just post this again...

http://i.imgur.com/ukb2reY.png

Can you get extremely good grades every game? Of course not. Just try to avoid dying and seriously aim for that 60%+ kill participation if you can. But it really isn't stupidly hard to get S ranks on supports provided you are actively paying attention to the map and figuring what the best plays the other team could be doing at that moment and where that would put their team.

Athenes Lulu5/23/2016, 9:38:05 PM8 votes

Somewhere along the lines of 60%+ kill/objective participation, a > 3 KDA, lots of wards placed and destroyed, ~2-3 kills, and a little bit of every kind of minion/monster farm.

Yes, that alone is already difficult to pull off as supports, but it is possible.

Owltears5/24/2016, 4:08:49 PM6 votes

I went 4/0/21 as Morgana and got only an A-. I helped take like 3 dragons and 4 towers as well!

Nami Used Bubble5/24/2016, 5:41:46 PM4 votes

http://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUW1/2680055553/215490787?tab=overview http://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUW1/2679251293/215490787?tab=overview http://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUW1/2677540047/215490787?tab=overview http://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUW1/2674647165/215490787?tab=overview

No S for any of them. I'm starting to genuinely hate Nami because of how much effort I put into doing well with her the past week and I get nothing. Apparently I just suck at her or something. Nevermind I help my adc get quadra's and even a penta in two of these games. He got an S but I'm only worth an A. summoner 3

MunchCrunchLunch5/23/2016, 10:04:44 PM4 votes

I rarely play support. mainly blitzcrank i have aboue 34 games on him. and I gotten an S+ once.

the hardest place to get an S or an S+ is jungle. I see supports getting S and above way more than other roles. just my honest experience. it doesn't matter at the end of the day but I see supports do so well in these champ grades

Beuhlakor5/23/2016, 9:05:16 PM4 votes

I don't play support but I would suggest to stop trying to understand the mastery system.

Played a game today (ranked) as top. Got the first blood, never die during the whole game, ended 7/0/5, top damages dealt, got 3 towers alone, won the game => A+.

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Trashlord Kayden5/23/2016, 7:23:25 PM4 votes

if you're playing popular support champs that have high play rates, you're being compared to how well maybe even some plat players do with that champ. also graded on warding (placed and destroyed), participation in total team kills(how many assists u have), not having too many deaths, participation in objectives(dragons, towers, inhibitors, and baron).

mhcelz5/25/2016, 9:09:01 AM4 votes

Supp main here As i see it, a support can take one of two rolles, you can either make your ADCarry, and the rest of the team, carry you, or you can forget that you are a SUPPORT and try to carry.

http://imgur.com/8i5xlEZ As you can see in the link above i do have some games where I enable my ADCarry to carry, which is his job, I still get 90% kill participation, however only A+. I know that i dont have that much farm due to me building tanky and babysitting the ADCarry to enable him, but still, i have about the same amount of gold as everybody else, (except the ADCarry, who have way more) and the highest KP on our team, 90%. A KDA of 27 with only 1 death, and we won.

So yeah, i can confirm you assumptions when discussing weather or not it is too hard to get a S rank on supports. We support try to get the S rank, it's just too hard...item 3070

Edit: I would also like to share some more statistics from that game, I droped 29 wards in that game, to 15 (the enemys highest ward drop) and 14 (my teams second highest ward drop). And although it can't be seen as an assist, i participated in both dragons that were taken and the only baron. So yeah, nothing I can see that would say "this support only deserves A+"...

manbearswine5/24/2016, 6:58:47 AM4 votes

Not exactly.

The system is just done in a moronic way, it doesn't care much for optimal play, but mostly for gold/gold given to the enemy team, you want S on a support? Steal kills, it's that simple.

Zone of Endless5/23/2016, 7:31:40 PM3 votes

I think kill participation is a big part in getting an S grading while also minimizing your death rate. I don't have too much trouble getting S on support like Bard who is very easy to set up kills and such.

Klae5/24/2016, 4:25:14 PM2 votes

When I get an S on Morgana it was because I ended up with all the kills and had to hyper carry my team...don't ask me why I had all the kills Morgana summoner 14 item 3165

Hay5eed5/24/2016, 2:32:57 AM2 votes

Yes it is incredibly hard to get an S as a support. The only times that I have actually gotten one was when I somehow ended up with a 3/0/5 kd or the like.

Riot says that they take your position in the game to determine grades but I think that there is something wrong with the support side. It seems to only hand out S ranks if you have some kills (which you should be giving to your ADC) or a CRAP TON of assists (which is not always possible)

USG Failsawce5/24/2016, 1:38:41 PM2 votes

Seriously? I find support absurdly easy to get an S or S+ with... compared to other lanes.

I honestly thought it was kind of broken and something was wrong with it, as in you barely have to work for it at all. And I thought this was common knowledge?

Canidae5/24/2016, 4:13:13 PM2 votes

Don't the mastery grades compare you to other people who are playing the same champion in the same lane?

USG Failsawce5/24/2016, 11:48:38 PM2 votes

I see a lot of people still saying that they're getting sub-S for ridiculous good KDA. And some even saying the opposite and neither understanding why.

KDA isn't all that's involved in grading... Nor is KDA and cs. Ward dropping, wards destroyed, objective participation, and possibly certain statistics are clearly are part of the grading system. If you're not getting good grades despite your amazing KDA, then consider that you're not doing enough of these other things. On any role, not just support.

This is why I say support is absurdly easy to get an S with, jungle somewhat as well. I do an insane amount of warding and ward destroying in general, whatever role. I buy a pink every back, sweep/ward whenever it's up. Being a support makes it that much easier to do, same with turret and dragon participation.

JustNAussie5/24/2016, 5:10:29 AM1 votes

Totally agree the ranks should be based on the position your playing as well as the rest

different goals for different positions i have gotten s- on just about all my supports I play

but to try and get any of them to level 6 or 7 is basically impossible not to mention Chests

I would have to build full AD on a support to even come close to getting an s again with a

support I got a had what would be a support best game with Soraka Soraka

2-0-28 and still didn't get an s its like they don't reward the ones that do most of the

background work it's not fair and needs to be changed Ranking system should be

POSITION PLAYED not gold kills and minions** each position should be ranked differently

based on the games set positions **

Kaisa is Hot7/11/2016, 9:12:48 PM1 votes

Lol try playing Kalista and you will know what "hard s rank" is.

hiyatai8/23/2016, 1:36:32 PM1 votes

honestly, I just had a game as bard support where they ff'ed at 20 i had 50% kpa, 18 wards placed, 2 wards cleared, 100% drag participation when we had 2 drags , 100% tower participation when we took 3 towers before they ff'ed. I was 1/1/9 with our team haveing 11 deaths total and them having 20 and me having the best kdr on the team and I got a B not even a B+. oh yea I should mention and our cait went 3/3/7 helped with 2/3 towers and 1/2 drags and placed 5 wards and cleared 1 and she got s- so I agree wholeheartedly the system is a bit messed up...... though I do admit my warding wasn't the best with a rate of less than 1 per 1 minute but still a b for that? and the cait got an s-? just gonna say it something smells a bit and it isn't barrens bad hygiene.

Divine Favour10/23/2016, 4:36:31 PM1 votes

I consistently get good grades on Morgana. I recently went 2/0/19 in a 27 minute game. I have been trying to get my final morgana token for months and i cant even count how many S- i have gotten. i cant get an S for a count like that? like come on. I'm a support, im not going to have 200 cs but i have a damn good count, made a big impact on the game, and i didnt even die. Is there no consideration for the time in the game? That is ridiculous.

BabyTrash11/11/2016, 5:15:57 AM1 votes

No its way harder than it should be and it's pretty much the only problem I have with league. I main support and my secondary is mid. I've had so many games where I've done better than my adc and not gotten a s rank. It seems to be even harder in aram as well. I've had a game with nami where I went 7/9/66 and didn't get an s rank. I also just had an aram game where I was Lux, went 17/1/45 and had around 11700 gold at the end of the game. Still didn't get a s rank but our Heimer who went 15/2/42 did... how is that fair? Please riot balance out your ranking for supp/mid. XD

EeveeDubstepz12/28/2016, 3:37:15 AM1 votes

I played nami and pushed a whole lane by my self, carrying the team and i got an S plus rank first try, so idk.

Erzα Scαrlet6/4/2018, 6:03:05 PM1 votes

How to take S+ with morgana support?