In my opinion she's in a a balanced state right now and really doesn't need these buffs. If anything her ult hitbox could use a QoL change and that's it.
I never think when I'm playing shyv "man, I don't do enough damage". She's already a pain to itemize against too with all the mixed damage she deals.
This will just make her too strong.
As another Shyvana player, I feel the same as well. Her damage is fine. She's in a good spot right now. We don't need her to become a perma-ban in the lcs and worlds only to have everything nerfed the next season.
I am more worried about the Caitlyn buff, but i also have to agree here.
Shyv already hurts like hell if she gets the opportunity.
This is going to be an unpopular opinion but I'm honestly glad they're buffing her in this way. She's not in a good place right now. I've been a long-time Shyvana player but there's just no reason to pick her right now in either top or jungle. Other tanks/bruisers can provide so much more than she does. Her damage is not high enough to justify the initiation/utility/damage that others can bring to the table.
I like this buff because Shyvana is not meant to be a well-rounded champion. I would much rather they boost what makes her terrifying (damage) as opposed to homogenizing her by tacking CC onto her kit. A small damage buff will not be enough to lift her from low-tier into perma-ban status.
Obviously win-rate is not completely telling of a champion's state of balance, but she boasts the absolute lowest top lane win rate (41.6% in Plat+) with only a 1.73% play rate. Her jungle win rate is slightly better (47.6%) but that's still only a 1.59% pick rate and fairly far shy of an ideal win rate. Low win rates combined with low pick rates are indicative that a champion is probably not in a good state of balance - even the rare few who pick her struggle to do well with her.
I would fix her ult reliability (aka not being canceled by pretty much anything in the game) before buffing her damage...
I believe shyvana does need a damage increase or some form of CC.
Only time shyvana can actually carry a game is in bronze or low silver where no one kites and you can actually just sit in the middle of a team fight and get a penta kill.
May as well play sej or amumu since there kits are vary similar except they have actual CC to lock players down and still can out damage. So if shyvana cannot have a form of CC that helps her stick to a target well then she does need to carry more damage so when it does it matters.
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I don't think she's in a good spot right now.
She has an absurdly high win-rate on players with an extreme familiarity with her nuance. High enough that it arguably isn't healthy. Played by anyone else? She's complete rubbish.
Koggy suffers from a similar issue, as it happens, but it isn't quite as extreme.
This is indicative that there is something fundamentally broken about their kit that needs to be addressed. No champion should have a ~60% win rate regardless of how good you are with them. And this is coming from a long-time Kog'Maw main.
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Which I guess means I don't think Riot should be straight buffing her. It strikes me as dreadfully unwise. What she needs is some deep-level kit reworking.
Throwing numbers at her or taking them away are the only balance changes Riot has ever made to Shyvana. You need to accept that they don't give a single fuck about making good decisions.
Moreover, giving her another on-hit? Are you fucking serious? Original ideas!
The buffs indeed seems to be a bit strange. Her lategame is already crazy.
The only change she needs is being immune to CC during Ult, it's sad how there are point and click damage CC ultimates yet Shyvana's can still be interrupted during her flight.
Buff her passive if they absolutely need to buff her. Its hardly even a passive, just a small defense boost.
The only change I really have ever wanted for Shyvana is for her ult to become an Unstoppable one. Sorta feels bad to go and Dragon out only to have any random CC that could be flying around in a teamfight stop you cold turkey.
Agreed. She's already dealing too much :P
she is a ball of stats. as much as i love shyvana she could use a rework. unbiased opinion. having the lowest win rate of all top laners, there must be a problem somewhere (and its not her being hard to play b/c she is very user friendly)
I already have %HP damage. I already have a ton of magic DPS.
Why do I need extra magic damage? Even if it's just 20 +5% bonus AD, it's more extra damage.
It would be awesome if they'd fix her R hitbox, but that's literally the only thing that has ever bothered me about Shyvana.
It's a quarter second worth of damage. The chance that anyone will ever notice this if they didn't read the patch notes is practically nonexistent.
It will only increase the damage of people standing inside of her W. As in people will think twice about trading with a shyv even more with her W on. Besides, it is really easy to kite a shyvana. The only thing I'm worried about this is it might make her splitpushing power too strong. I'm still on the side of people who want to make her ult jump immune to cc, but I don't think this buff is going to make her op.
make burnout decay slower instead
Yeah her kit doesn't lack damage. You can slap a trinity force on her and build the rest full tanky and she still does good damage. Her cc is lacking more than her damage.
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In my opinion she's in a a balanced state right now and really doesn't need these buffs. If anything her ult hitbox could use a QoL change and that's it.
I never think when I'm playing shyv "man, I don't do enough damage". She's already a pain to itemize against too with all the mixed damage she deals.
This will just make her too strong.
She has almost no cc, how is this going to make her strong?
If they really want to add something to her then change the extra damage to a VERY minor slow instead, or maybe have it reduce the target's damage output, something more utility based would be far more interesting to add to shyv.
She's in a decent spot, but she lacks any real form of crowd-control. What if she got like a small slow on her Q or something?
