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ømg··17 votes·2,789 views

Can you stop making balance suggestions when you don't know anything about the game? I'm too low elo to make balance suggestions, but the difference is that I actually recognize that so I don't make suggestions. The majority of you are so low elo that you are unable to comprehend that your bronze - mid Diamond experience means absolutely nothing and that challenger/pro players are playing a different game.

There are far too many QQ shitposts in Gameplay and Balance, the saddest part is that they're not even intentional, but rather made out of ignorance.

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High elo players are the best that we have to work with. Sure they're not knowledgeable in everything, but a challenger support main has a much better idea of how the game should be balanced than a silver support main, simply because they are actually seeing what is actually strong or weak. A silver player is not playing the same game as challenger players because in silver champion potential is always left unrealized. As a result they have a distorted sense of what is strong or weak.

This also ties into balancing from top down and why it's better (this is for people who keep on insisting that we balance for the majority of players instead of for the best). Not only does it undermine competitive integrity if you balance from the bottom up (competitive players will have to deal with extremely imbalanced champions) but you cannot get a good idea of how strong a champion is when you have confounding variables. Imagine that you believe a champion is weak, but is it weak because

1.) Champion is actually weak 2.) Players are too shit to use the champion 3.) Champion is new and people have completely adapted to it yet

So 3 can be ruled out as the reason (or at least part of the reason) for why the champion is weak once given enough time. If you cater your balancing for silver players, you need to consider 2, which then means we don't know if the champion is ACTUALLY weak or if the players are just to shit to use the champion. What happens if you cater your balancing for the best players? Then you can rule out 2, because players at that level are able to realize the champion's full potential. Therefore if the champion is still struggling at the highest levels of play, we can say that it's truely because a champion is weak and not because of anything else.

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And also, if I am so bad and not playing my champ to full potential and neither is my opponent, then we could still make accurate statements about their strengths/weaknesses and if something is out of balance.

No. A low-skill Riven will be way worse than an equally low-skill Malphite. A low-skill Zac will be way better than a low-skill Lee Sin. When you're at a low-skill rank, champions do not perform equally despite everyone being low skilled.

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[{quoted}](name=Fate Fire,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QugMEt3p,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2017-01-12T00:48:42.917+0000)

A dwarf on the shoulders of a giant will see farther than the giant himself. That being said, every person has a blind spot so everyone's opinions should be held at an equal level. Dividing people into "elos" shows that you have no respect for the players themselves and hold a higher value to a rank over experience.

Let's say you have two people, one is a Bronze V Draven who has played him since release, then you have the Diamond I Draven who's playing him first time. Who's word would you trust more, the one who's played them more or the one who's played the game more? Skill and Knowledge are two separate things. Just because you made it up there does not make you instantly knowledgeable of the entire game.

Except your analogy fails because there is a positive relationship between height and eyesight. If the dwarf represents a bronze player and the giant represents a challenger player, then the dwarf would have the eyes of a human while the giant would have the eyes of a hawk.

You are both looking at the "same thing", except the bronze player will miss all the details while the challenger player will be able to see them. Bronze players will watch a high level replay and fail to grasp the reasoning behind a player's actions. A challenger player will watch a replay understand the player's motive for their actions.

125 Comments

TheFallenShaw8 votes

reporting your post due to being offensive towards your so called "low ello". The fact it applys to me is irrevant. No player has the right to tell others what they can or can not post. You are dirrespectful of your fellow players. Talking down to them because you maybe better at the game. You should be helping people become better players if your so consern not downing them.

ømg3 votes

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reporting your post due to being offensive towards your so called "low ello". The fact it applys to me is irrevant. No player has the right to tell others what they can or can not post. You are dirrespectful of your fellow players. Talking down to them because you maybe better at the game. You should be helping people become better players if your so consern not downing them.

How am I talking down? I myself am low elo and I've admitted it. I just know better not to express my low elo opinions in regards to balance

run along to your little safe zone now and report me, I know it's quite hard on your fragile psyche to have someone break it to you that your opinions on balance mean absolutely nothing

BladeSteel3 votes

"how am I talking down I myself am low level and I've admitted it.** I JUST KNOW BETTER NOT TO EXPRESS MY LOW ELO OPINIONS IN REGARD TO BALANCE**".

The capitalized statement right there is talking down to others. "I'm better than you because I know better" is talking down.

ømg4 votes

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"how am I talking down I myself am low level and I've admitted it.** I JUST KNOW BETTER NOT TO EXPRESS MY LOW ELO OPINIONS IN REGARD TO BALANCE**".

The capitalized statement right there is talking down to others. "I'm better than you because I know better" is talking down.

Sure, I know better in terms of when my opinion should be or shouldn't be expressed. But I'm the same as you shitters in skill and game knowledge.

Everyone else has been accusing me of talking down BECAUSE I'm better at the game. I'm not.

BladeSteel4 votes

News flash. 99% of the game is low elo. 99% of the MONEY THEY MAKE IN THE GAME is from low elo. Guess what. The game should then be 99% focused towards low elo. That is how it works. So sorry.

SeaGodUrronuos4 votes

Yea I'm reporting you too because you sound like a jackass and act like your better than us but ur not, and you can deny it and go to your safe place you special snowflake

ømg6 votes

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Yea I'm reporting you too because you sound like a jackass and act like your better than us but ur not, and you can deny it and go to your safe place you special snowflake

how triggered are you, from triggered to 10?

I'll say it again, I'm low elo just like you.

The first step to curing low elo is to admit it btw

SeaGodUrronuos3 votes

Lol.your so triggered, reported

Sound Voltex5 votes

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You should be helping people become better players if your so consern not downing them.

I would gladly help any low elo but the problem with this board and I mean this literally is that 99% low elos here actually believe they're right about their balance opinion. People are not here to learn, they're here because they got shit on ingame and wants justice (nerfs) and that's why league community will always be garbage

jaymc11308 votes

+1

HazyCloud77 votes

You should've said stop making balance suggestions based on anecdotal experience. Even a bronze player can make a high quality suggestion if they support their argument with math/stats/analysis of the meta.

1wolfpack6 votes

why do pros have coaches? the coaches have a better understanding of the game but dont have the mechanics to be a pro.

Moetaro1 votes

this

Jose Mourinho was a bronce V soccer player (maybe wood V, or even worse, awful player, really BAD). Still, he's one of the best trainers in the planet with an unreal understanding of the game.

Being good at a game doesnt mean that you understand the game better than someone that is not good at that game. Actually, this is pretty obvious to someone with half a neuron, so, I guess that all employees at riot put together dont make half a neuron. Not a surprise to be honest.

Risk of Fate5 votes

A dwarf on the shoulders of a giant will see farther than the giant himself. That being said, every person has a blind spot so everyone's opinions should be held at an equal level. Dividing people into "elos" shows that you have no respect for the players themselves and hold a higher value to a rank over experience.

Let's say you have two people, one is a Bronze V Draven who has played him since release, then you have the Diamond I Draven who's playing him first time. Who's word would you trust more, the one who's played them more or the one who's played the game more? Skill and Knowledge are two separate things. Just because you made it up there does not make you instantly knowledgeable of the entire game.

ømg6 votes

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A dwarf on the shoulders of a giant will see farther than the giant himself. That being said, every person has a blind spot so everyone's opinions should be held at an equal level. Dividing people into "elos" shows that you have no respect for the players themselves and hold a higher value to a rank over experience.

Let's say you have two people, one is a Bronze V Draven who has played him since release, then you have the Diamond I Draven who's playing him first time. Who's word would you trust more, the one who's played them more or the one who's played the game more? Skill and Knowledge are two separate things. Just because you made it up there does not make you instantly knowledgeable of the entire game.

Except your analogy fails because there is a positive relationship between height and eyesight. If the dwarf represents a bronze player and the giant represents a challenger player, then the dwarf would have the eyes of a human while the giant would have the eyes of a hawk.

You are both looking at the "same thing", except the bronze player will miss all the details while the challenger player will be able to see them. Bronze players will watch a high level replay and fail to grasp the reasoning behind a player's actions. A challenger player will watch a replay understand the player's motive for their actions.

Skill and knowledge are two different things, and they both help a player to climb. It is exceedingly rare to have someone so far under the bell curve in terms of mechanics yet be so far above the curve in terms of knowledge that they end up somewhere in low elo.

Risk of Fate2 votes

You're assuming that the player is going to watch a replay and say "I can do that!" and hop right into it. Only people with a lack of patience really do that, for the rest people will look at a replay and see what's going on. Sure they might not understand it, but it does not mean they are not willing to try and learn how things work a certain way. Humans have a want to do better than their ancestors, to build up and improve upon what's been done before.

Two people watch one thing but get two different answers. As I've said before, every person has a blind spot when it comes to knowledge and others might see what you don't. Let's say for example when I was playing Ahri. Up to that point, I have played many matchups: LeBlanc, Lux, Katarina, Zed, Yasuo. One day a Kassadin comes to lane. Me thinking that I'm the better mid laner suddenly finds themselves losing lane, hard.

Ta da, because I did not know much about Kassadin (knew what his abilities did from an ARAM game I've played of him plus some various gameplay videos), I found myself on the other end of the beating. I never fought one before (that I could remember) and I'm sure he's played against many an Ahri so he was able to build off my failure of the matchup.

ømg6 votes

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You're assuming that the player is going to watch a replay and say "I can do that!" and hop right into it. Only people with a lack of patience really do that, for the rest people will look at a replay and see what's going on.

No, I'm not assuming that at all. What I know for a fact is that a low elo player will be watching a high elo player do something and not even realize that something was done.

Let's say the player they are watching (call that person X and the enemy laner Y and say that they are top lane and are both challenger) did NOT kill two ranged minions that were both one hit away from dying. Let's say that we're exactly 3 minutes into the game. The next wave is in an advantageous location for X, because the wave is then closer to X's side than it is to Y's side. The minion numbers advantage wave will continue pushing the wave to X's side if left alone.

A very low elo spectator will not even notice that the minions are in a good spot for X. A slightly higher elo spectator can see that X has the wave closer to X's side and so X has the wave at some advantageous location. A bit higher elo spectator will see that player X intentionally did not last hit those 2 ranged minions to freeze to have the push to X's side, and last hitting even one of them would not have resulted in the minions pushing to X's side.

An even higher elo spectator will see that X's jungler has already cleared their bottom side jungle, and X's bot lane has little kill pressure since it's Ezreal and Janna. What that means is that X's jungler has little motivation to go bot side (gank will likely fail bot lane due to having little lockdown), and will come top side because at the very least X's jungler will have camps to clear. What that means is that by the time X has the minions close to his tower, X's jungler will likely be nearby if Y overextends to get CS.

What a high elo spectator will see is what Y's jungler showed themselves in a gank and has revealed three pieces of information: the remaining duration on red and blue buff, their level, and their CS. Early on in the game you can deduce from that exactly what camps have been cleared, which tells you where Y's jungler will be motivated to go. Then you can assess the risk of Y's jungler being there for a counter gank if X's jungler decides to gank.

A low elo spectator and a high elo spectator will watch the same replay yet the high elo player spectator is able to see so much more. It has nothing to do with patience, because one spectator is effectively watching a different game than the other.

To further illustrate I'll ask you: if you're in the top lane with teleport, do you think you can punish an enemy top laner who grabs a summoner spell other than teleport (like exhaust or ignite) besides using your teleport for TP ganks around the map? If you think you can punish them for taking ignite/exhaust, how do you do it?

Sure they might not understand it, but it does not mean they are not willing to try and learn how things work a certain way. Humans have a want to do better than their ancestors, to build up and improve upon what's been done before.

Even if they're willing to learn, that doesn't mean they know how to go about learning. As I illustrated earlier, high elo players are able to see things that low elo players cannot. Merely wanting to learn does not allow you to suddenly see things.

Two people watch one thing but get two different answers. As I've said before, every person has a blind spot when it comes to knowledge and others might see what you don't. Let's say for example when I was playing Ahri. Up to that point, I have played many matchups: LeBlanc, Lux, Katarina, Zed, Yasuo. One day a Kassadin comes to lane. Me thinking that I'm the better mid laner suddenly finds themselves losing lane, hard.

A low elo Kassadin will not be able to use Kassadin to his maximum potential (which is why they're low elo). Even if you play against a Kassaddin, win or lose, you will not be able to gauge from that experience the true strength of that champion because it has not been shown to you. Which again brings me back to my point: shitters (myself included) should not talk about balance when they know nothing.

Risk of Fate3 votes

Since you're going to go on invalidating my points by saying "Oh, they're Low Elo and therefor incapable of doing better, a Challenger knows everything," I'm going to stop arguing here. There have been Challenger players beaten by Diamonds (Look at Redmercy vs. Pants are Dragon).

I'm not saying that a person will know everything, I was stating that people see things differently and hence why an opinion should count for something whether or not it is good. You're never going to go into a Ashe v Ashe match the same way every time, the enemy Ashe might be running extra mana while the ally is running flat damage.

You're trying to argue that, unless you are Challenger, you should never make any contribution and to only listen to the top 200 players of the region. News flash, there's more than that and the majority of the player base is Bronze and Silver. Balance should try to be for the entire community. If you balance for the top, it turns to hell down below and vice versa.

ømg4 votes

Since you're going to go on invalidating my points by saying "Oh, they're Low Elo and therefor incapable of doing better, a Challenger knows everything," I'm going to stop arguing here. There have been Challenger players beaten by Diamonds (Look at Redmercy vs. Pants are Dragon).

One game means nothing, everyone has that one good game or one bad game. The key to climbing is consistency. If Redmercy were able to consistently beat players at the Challenger level, he wouldn't be Diamond.

I'm not saying that a person will know everything, I was stating that people see things differently and hence why an opinion should count for something whether or not it is good. You're never going to go into a Ashe v Ashe match the same way every time, the enemy Ashe might be running extra mana while the ally is running flat damage.

High elo players generally know everything that a lower elo player knows. The exceptions I can think of are one tricks, who can get to high elo knowing a lot about one champ (usually in the form of match up knowledge) and knowing little about everything else. That is when the average low elo player might know more about the game in general than a high elo player.

You're trying to argue that, unless you are Challenger, you should never make any contribution and to only listen to the top 200 players of the region. News flash, there's more than that and the majority of the player base is Bronze and Silver. Balance should try to be for the entire community. If you balance for the top, it turns to hell down below and vice versa.

No, high Diamond and Masters are also in there. News flash, you prioritize balancing for the top or you will have an e-Joke instead of an e-Sport. There's QQ threads about Lee Sin every day. If they wanted to balance for the average player, they'd buff Lee Sin because he has a 47.84% win rate in Silver, or at the very least they wouldn't nerf Lee (but they just did in 7.1)

Risk of Fate1 votes

No, high Diamond and Masters are also in there. News flash, you prioritize balancing for the top or you will have an e-Joke instead of an e-Sport. There's QQ threads about Lee Sin every day. If they wanted to balance for the average player, they'd buff Lee Sin because he has a 47.84% win rate in Silver, or at the very least they wouldn't nerf Lee (but they just did in 7.1)

No, you want to prioritize the game for the casual player, not the pros. It is a video game which is meant to be entertaining and you should have fun with it. If I don't have fun, I'm either going to say why I don't like it or move on to something else. Also, high Diamond and Master players still make up just barely under the top 2% of all players compared to 80% of people in Bronze and Silver combined. I realize this is ranked only and does not account for Unranked whom are in a class of their own.

As for eSports, I don't even want to argue that one because I'm an advocate against its popularity. I get why people enjoy it, but I think it's completely silly like having competitive movie watching (at least from my standpoint). Besides, Korea win every time which makes it even more of a joke because NA's top teams got shredded the past three years.

jaymc11303 votes

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No, you want to prioritize the game for the casual player, not the pros. It is a video game which is meant to be entertaining and you should have fun with it. If I don't have fun, I'm either going to say why I don't like it or move on to something else. Also, high Diamond and Master players still make up just barely under the top 2% of all players compared to 80% of people in Bronze and Silver combined. I realize this is ranked only and does not account for Unranked whom are in a class of their own.

As for eSports, I don't even want to argue that one because I'm an advocate against its popularity. I get why people enjoy it, but I think it's completely silly like having competitive movie watching (at least from my standpoint). Besides, Korea win every time which makes it even more of a joke because NA's top teams got shredded the past three years.

The only team that put up a fight vs the two teams in the Finals was an NA team...

Lauchmelder5 votes

So if bronze to diamond play a different game and Master + Challenger are somewhere in the 0.1 percentile why should the game be balanced for those 0.1% instead of the 99.9%?

PermabannedGaren1 votes

[{quoted}](name=MadKnife IV,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QugMEt3p,comment-id=000e,timestamp=2017-01-12T09:48:50.949+0000)

So if bronze to diamond play a different game and Master + Challenger are somewhere in the 0.1 percentile why should the game be balanced for those 0.1% instead of the 99.9%?

Because that 0.1% is where you should be aspiring to. If it's not, why are you playing ranked?

Lauchmelder1 votes

And the 0.1% are good enough to adapt without problems.

PermabannedGaren1 votes

[{quoted}](name=MadKnife IV,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QugMEt3p,comment-id=000e00000000,timestamp=2017-01-13T04:13:11.383+0000)

And the 0.1% are good enough to adapt without problems.

I'd respond to this, but tbh OMG already covered it pretty well.

Lauchmelder2 votes

Ok, let me rephrase my original statement so even OMG and you'll understand:

Balancing only for the best of the best (aka the top 0.1%) is the best way for Riot to kill their game.

SGT Dingle Berry4 votes

The majority of players fall under the low elo category and imo that's where champion balancing should be taken into account. Higher elo players have a broader understanding of the game mechanics and could use Aatrox with larger success than a low elo could with a Poppy. An unbalanced champion makes a MUCH larger splash in the lower ranks.

Shifue Draven3 votes

Well considering if you look at my games where i don't have brain dead trolls which is why i am quitting ranked for a bit. Doesn't mean i can't play the game well or have an option on champ balance.You can play normals for all i care and make a post on it cause if you're playing and you notice the same crap every game the elo does not matter. Best example look at poppy. It was mostly lower elo players making the complaint and sure enough they were right honestly one game facing her made me see how broken she is with COC and her own shield. So i mean i don't think telling someone that they are not valid cause they are on the lower end is right at all. That is kinda like saying since you work at Mcdonalds you suck at life so you do not matter.

Sound Voltex5 votes

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Best example look at poppy. It was mostly lower elo players making the complaint and sure enough they were right honestly one game facing her made me see how broken she is with COC and her own shield

That's not exactly a valid balance opinion, it's more like pointing out the obvious and making yourself look like a whiny child

Shifue Draven3 votes

Yet we had people defending her saying it's not an issue. So i mean at what point where some say it's obvious and others don't does making a valid remark come out? i mean to me it's obvious that vladimir,and luc is screwed as example but some don't think so.

ZephyrDrake2 votes

garbage thread thinking that only high elo people's opinion mattered

TFW you realize that most high elo people who post on threads have even less idea of what they are talking about than a bronze player [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

ømg5 votes

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ZephyrDrake3 votes

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it's sad that someone with lower elo than you knows more about the game, keep trying though one day you will actually learn something

ømg5 votes

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ZephyrDrake3 votes

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yep, i'll be forever G5 and i'll keep telling garbage plat+ players when they think they know what they are talking about yet in reality have no idea whatsoever.

Let me tell you something, when you resort to using rank as a way to "ignore" or "undermine" what the other is talking that just means you have no actual argument. You are such a high elo player? then give me actual proof, actual reasoning, actual math. Something that proves my point wrong and yours right but that is too much for you and a lot of high elo players to do and just go for "you are low elo lolololololol" and think they did something other than make themselves look like morons since they cannot even hold a decent argument

jaymc11303 votes

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yep, i'll be forever G5 and i'll keep telling garbage plat+ players when they think they know what they are talking about yet in reality have no idea whatsoever.

Let me tell you something, when you resort to using rank as a way to "ignore" or "undermine" what the other is talking that just means you have no actual argument. You are such a high elo player? then give me actual proof, actual reasoning, actual math. Something that proves my point wrong and yours right but that is too much for you and a lot of high elo players to do and just go for "you are low elo lolololololol" and think they did something other than make themselves look like morons since they cannot even hold a decent argument

Are you trying to argue that a less experienced player should be given the same consideration as an extremely proficient and advanced player when it comes to the opinions of these two players regarding the games they play?

Would you ask a second year med student about the serious and alarming health issue you are currently experiencing or would you go to the Hospital and ask to see the best diagnostician they have?

Part of the reason many high level players resort to the "rank" argument is because low level players consistently ignore pieces of evidence like this.

No matter HOW you want to slice it, the MOST experienced and ADVANCED participants in ANY field will have the best grasp on what is going on in said field.

If I want to know which base to throw to on a fly ball do you think I'm going to ask a Little Leaguer or my buddy James Loney, the professional baseball player from my hometown whom I've played with since we were little kids.

I'm gonna ask James. Obviously.

Why ask a gold player when most diamond players suck? If most diamond opinions aren't worth hogwash what makes you think a gold opinion will be worth anything?

(Not that this last is true 100% of the time, there are always exceptions, there will always be a few with advanced knowledge and lacking abilities. Will absolutely agree with you on that note)

ZephyrDrake2 votes

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Are you trying to argue that a less experienced player should be given the same consideration as an extremely proficient and advanced player when it comes to the opinions of these two players regarding the games they play?

Would you ask a second year med student about the serious and alarming health issue you are currently experiencing or would you go to the Hospital and ask to see the best diagnostician they have?

Part of the reason many high level players resort to the "rank" argument is because low level players consistently ignore pieces of evidence like this.

No matter HOW you want to slice it, the MOST experienced and ADVANCED participants in ANY field will have the best grasp on what is going on in said field.

If I want to know which base to throw to on a fly ball do you think I'm going to ask a Little Leaguer or my buddy James Loney, the professional baseball player from my hometown whom I've played with since we were little kids.

I'm gonna ask James. Obviously.

Why ask a gold player when most diamond players suck? If most diamond opinions aren't worth hogwash what makes you think a gold opinion will be worth anything?

(Not that this last is true 100% of the time, there are always exceptions, there will always be a few with advanced knowledge and lacking abilities. Will absolutely agree with you on that note)

are you this stupid really? or are you just trolling me? it doesn't matter if you are a challenger or a bronze player. If your way of getting out of arguments is "you are lower rank than me lol" and not provide anything at all specially when you are proven wrong by the lower rank player then guess what? your rank means jack and shit! i don't give a rats ass about your experience when i just proved you wrong and you have nothing to actually fall back but rank shame me. That is what i am talking about. You can be the best player in the universe, doesn't mean anything to me if your default response is a rank shame for no reason other than to not bother actually thinking of a response.

Sorry but being a higher rank does not shield, protect or make it so that you are immune to things. A lower rank player can have just as much knowledge about the game, just not the mechanical skills to climb. If i am wrong prove me wrong! i want to be told that i am wrong by actual arguments so that i can actually learn something not have dumb responses that rely on rank.

jaymc11305 votes

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A lower rank player can have just as much knowledge about the game, just not the mechanical skills to climb.

I'll be honest, this is the point where I stop taking you seriously. Mechanical ability isn't a requirement for climbing. I was ranked Master Tier in season 4 and my mechanical abilities are about that of your average silver player. They've honestly only gotten worse considering I keep aging and my reflexes at 30 aren't what they were when I was 20. Game knowledge is all important mate.

I think its safe to say after this little outburst by you that anything you say in the future can probably be safely ignored.

You committed the primary sin most low level players commit. You ignored valid points brought up by high level players, called them stupid, swore up and down (incorrectly I might add) that they are wrong, and then went about being a typical low level rude brat by hurling insults because you're upset at being a low level player who lacks basic understand of many or most game elements.

This is why we say things like "No backtak", because you literally leave us no options, refuse to be educated, and then you act inappropriately afterwards slinging around mud and insults because its the only thing you have the sense to be able to do.

Way to make the rest of the low level community look bad mate...

None of my responses to you was a rank shame and you STILL acted like a toxic idiot. You just bit the hand of a person who was helping defend certain aspects of your position and expand upon it. No, we in the high level community want nothing to do with players like yourself and you should be perma banned to prevent your toxicity from spreading to others mate.

ZephyrDrake2 votes

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I'll be honest, this is the point where I stop taking you seriously. Mechanical ability isn't a requirement for climbing. I was ranked Master Tier in season 4 and my mechanical abilities are about that of your average silver player. They've honestly only gotten worse considering I keep aging and my reflexes at 30 aren't what they were when I was 20. Game knowledge is all important mate.

I think its safe to say after this little outburst by you that anything you say in the future can probably be safely ignored.

You committed the primary sin most low level players commit. You ignored valid points brought up by high level players, called them stupid, swore up and down (incorrectly I might add) that they are wrong, and then went about being a typical low level rude brat by hurling insults because you're upset at being a low level player who lacks basic understand of many or most game elements.

This is why we say things like "No backtak", because you literally leave us no options, refuse to be educated, and then you act inappropriately afterwards slinging around mud and insults because its the only thing you have the sense to be able to do.

Way to make the rest of the low level community look bad mate...

None of my responses to you was a rank shame and you STILL acted like a toxic idiot. You just bit the hand of a person who was helping defend certain aspects of your position and expand upon it. No, we in the high level community want nothing to do with players like yourself and you should be perma banned to prevent your toxicity from spreading to others mate.

and i'll be honest i don't give a damn about what you just typed and i was not talking about you rank shaming but what other high elo player do the instant they are losing the argument. But whatever do not care about anything that you said at all bye!

Endogenic6 votes

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you should do something productive instead of raging at other people. Enjoy this downvote (:

ZephyrDrake2 votes

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you should do something productive instead of raging at other people. Enjoy this downvote (:

enjoy yours as well

Endogenic6 votes

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enjoy yours as well

looks like you accidentally upvoted me instead lmao

ZephyrDrake2 votes

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looks like you accidentally upvoted me instead lmao

nope someone else did

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