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Mewko··42 votes·2,306 views

I would love for stopwatch to be removed. It should only be applicable in the process of building Zhonyas. I'm an Ahri main overall and I mainly play mages within my champ pool. Coming from a mage player, I despise this item from being over abused. I also main support and seeing ADCs with it really pisses me off. I can support my ADC fully and even when they're playing well, the enemy adc gets away with the item. Back to the mage talk, not only will I have a lack in dmg with Ahri including her nerfs, etc. but going in full combo and landing everything just to see that the ADC procs stopwatch and even survives at the last minute? Isn't it enough for them to get enough peel?

Reminder: several mages begin to powerspike mid-late game. You still have to land skill shots to deal the same amount of dmg as that of a Vayne+ardent who can fully combo you with auto's and a support EVEN without ult and shred you. Almost every mage I play, I have to consume a chunk of mana or less depending on the trade, possibility of missing a skill shot = punishment of CD, mana cost and loss of dmg. The only thing we need to toss away assassins and mages are stopwatch entirely.

Riot thought that by giving stopwatch freely in a rune that it will be a great advantage to mages ONLY to counter mages and assassins. Why? Because supports and ADCs are running around with it and it's cancer. All it takes is for an ADC with a support abusing ardent censor to AA you. GG. It is already hard to get to the ADC or any damage carry with today's peel and frontline. Now we're running on stopwatch making it no longer possible to try.

I don't know where Riot is taking the game so far but from what I see, bot lane is completely supported by Riot. Top lane has crashed, mid lane assassins are falling, mages are tumbling and now ADCs got it all good. Hell, even supports are abusing stopwatch. I don't know about the position of junglers with it but it's annoying af.

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35 Comments

Taliyah Rocks32 votes

As much as Stopwatch is a cool concept, i wish it would just get removed too. It just breaks the game at this point.

They added it to stop snowballs by helping people survive burst once, but adding stopwatch did the complete opposite. The winning team can just sit on their unused stopwatch for when they really need it, while the team that fell behind has probably used theirs already.

Stopwatch doesn't promote defensive play, it promotes aggressive play.

Edit: Guardian Angel ran into a similar problem once, the winning team would buy it and would just sit on it, and since the defending team couldn't punish them properly, even if they burned a guardian angel, they'd probably get away.

RottedApples2 votes

except for competitive where it contributes to 60 minute low kill games.

next week we will see the relic shield change and i think that will do a lot to help this, but hey stopwatch is a thing too, there are games where everyone has it.

ChaddyFantome1 votes

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except for competitive where it contributes to 60 minute low kill games.

next week we will see the relic shield change and i think that will do a lot to help this, but hey stopwatch is a thing too, there are games where everyone has it.

they are changing relic shield again?

RottedApples1 votes

the relic shield changes are already on live, it's with the rest of the support itemization changes, but competitive doesn't get stuff til a week after live

Ifneth9 votes

I play an immobile and squishy mage mid. That item is one of the best things to come from the preseason. :)

Mewko4 votes

Yes but not for everyone to abuse and counter your dmg with it. It's good for the mages but people forget that we also need to land many skill shots to pull off equal dmg to champions who deal more damage than that of a weak mage with persay 3 auto's? Or a Zed with 1 full combo? Depends who you play and at what time of the game you've reached. But the point is even after playing so well, you get zhonyas'd in the face. Your dmg no longer proves anything.

Ifneth1 votes

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Yes but not for everyone to abuse and counter your dmg with it. It's good for the mages but people forget that we also need to land many skill shots to pull off equal dmg to champions who deal more damage than that of a mage. Depends who you play really but then even after playing so well, you get zhonyas'd in the face. Your dmg no longer proves anything.

Maybe I’m a little biased. I play Taliyah, who can not only fire a Threaded Volley from 1,000 range for at most 70 mana, knowing another will be ready before the first one runs out, but also knock an opponent into the air, preventing them from using Stopwatch.

RenownedWheat427 votes

It's a one-time use so I don't mind it too much. Bait it out and then all-in later, once it's broken. What I've been doing and it works fine.

Stopwatch is great, imo, because of the aggressive plays it enables. If you force your opponent to use it defensively, you can all-in them in a dive later and get out before that last turret shot takes you down with a stopwatch reset.

Way better use.

Ahri Baka4 votes

As a fellow Ahri main , Yeah ,, I find it annoying playing against a Yasuo to use it to dodge my E when no minions are around and even after I baited his w , he uses stop watch and sells it to get some gold , I main mages in general and I see most of champions that aren't mage are using it , I'm ok with the Stop watch item coosting 600 gold , just not ok with the rune that gives u a free stop watch for no reason

Mewko3 votes

No I completely agree. I just wish that Riot has limited a free Stopwatch to mages only. Not for AD players or tanks to abuse it, it makes no sense and in fact very harsh against us. They gave an item thinking they'd help mages only to COUNTER mages. It's pure punishment considering the amounts of dmg a mage can lack until late game. I would accept it if they remove stopwatch entirely from the runes and allow us to purchase it in building zhonyas but lowering the cost or limit it to a specific class only (mages need it the most) I don't see why ADCs run around with sustain, getaways and dmg or tanks with dmg, heavy cc and getaways. Nor should Yasuo, our greatest enemy amongst many mages should use it, etc.

Daddy Ants5 votes

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No I completely agree. I just wish that Riot has limited a free Stopwatch to mages only. Not for AD players or tanks to abuse it, it makes no sense and in fact very harsh against us. They gave an item thinking they'd help mages only to COUNTER mages. It's pure punishment considering the amounts of dmg a mage can lack until late game. I would accept it if they remove stopwatch entirely from the runes and allow us to purchase it in building zhonyas but lowering the cost or limit it to a specific class only (mages need it the most) I don't see why ADCs run around with sustain, getaways and dmg or tanks with dmg, heavy cc and getaways. Nor should Yasuo, our greatest enemy amongst many mages should use it, etc.

"Damage Mages lack until Late game"

With exceptions to Azir Velkoz Vladimir Cassiopeia Ryze Zoe, Most mages are at their strongest in the mid game.

Mages also have extremely high base damage so no, Mages don't lack damage early at all.

Mewko3 votes

Besides the strong mages pinpointed above, I ask you to play Syndra vs a good Yasuo and Zed player who have nullifying orb and barrier/ignite. Do tell me whether or not she has high base damage early game without a jungler helping you.

Also don't forget, you're not taking into consideration how ADCs and supports are in a good position right now. Besides mages lacking damage or not, it's unfortunate that you can deal tons of dmg and play well, however a Twitch+Peel/Kog+Peel/Vayne+Peel will kill you no problem. No matter if you play Azir where you can easily play around his range when his soldiers are on CD (stopwatch his ult). Velkoz who's ult can be CC'd, easy to dodge his full combo (stopwatch his ult). Cassiopeia who's ultimate is predictable, no mobility, squishy (stopwatch her ult). Vladimir where you can just buy executioner's and get yourself a good support, ggez stopwatch his ult. Zoe: who can easily can get caught, very squishy, god forbid once she's CC'd by 1 and stopwatch her e. Goodbye mages.

Daddy Ants1 votes

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Besides the strong mages pinpointed above, I ask you to play Syndra vs a good Yasuo and Zed player who have nullifying orb and barrier/ignite. Do tell me whether or not she has high base damage early game without a jungler helping you.

Syndra's a special case;

She was nerfed into oblivion.

She needs buffs.

Mewko1 votes

Ahri? Lux? Leblanc?

An Enemy Sutando2 votes

Syndra mains still get a 53-54% WR on her on average. She doesn't need buffs.

AmazoX2 votes

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Azir where you can easily play around his range when his soldiers are on CD (stopwatch his ult).

You never played vs a good Azir then.

Mewko2 votes

I know how to lane.

Abibyama4 votes

I like how everyone was silent about the stopwatch and now when pros are spamming they all speak up

ChaddyFantome1 votes

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I like how everyone was silent about the stopwatch and now when pros are spamming they all speak up

hell so, i said that shit was busted from the beginning. The only people that defended it were Mage circlejerk players but now they are complaining because they realize it is getting in the way of them playing the game too.

Seenan4 votes

Yeah, a free 1-time stopwatch for adcs and mages alike is sorta broken.

An Draoi3 votes

They could probably fix stopwatch if they made the rune not give stopwatch, but made stopwatch and stopwatch related items cost like 100 gold less or something. That, and maybe make the stasis time on stopwatch only work for half the time of a Zhonyas.

PlsTouchMeGently3 votes

Agreed 100%

Ahri Inari3 votes

Stopwatch feel like a second life in the early-mid game. It deny so much kill and a lot of people are abusing it.

Longtowel3 votes

The stopwatch is here and it is a part of the game which you have to consider.

I've gotten into the habit of looking at the enemy inventory when everyone shows up at lane to see who has it. And as a jungler (I play mid sometimes too), I check if the enemy has the stopwatch available before I gank.

If you are prepared, its really not as bad as it seems, since if you are an ADC, you are still trading some power for the rune.

What I will suggest though, is perhaps change the stopwatch a little bit, and make it last a bit shorter, maybe 50% or 60% of the duration. Right now I think it is basically a one time Zhonyas, but we could make it a bit weaker, so the potential of the item is still there, but it just means that the invulnerability is a bit shorter and the enemy has more of a chance to kill you even after you use the stopwatch.

You also have to think that for an ADC, Guardian Angel is one of the last items you build, so most likely you will hold onto that broken stopwatch that does nothing for the majority of the game, while in the meantime you lose out on powerful runes like celerity and gathering storm from the Socery Tree, if you chose inspiration as your second tree. Most mages build Zhonyas, and they build it quite a bit earlier, say third or fourth item. At least that's what I do.

Stopwatch is a godsend to Vladimir though. It allows you to make the typical Vlad play a lot earlier in the game, and it also makes Zhonyas a bit cheaper to buy, which happens to be one of your core items.

Iffy Jarl2 votes

I think adding a little more time b4 use would make it fine, and maybe making a cutoff time where it breaks if u dont use it

Recon12122 votes

Stopwatch is a cool idea, but I feel the problem with it is, it is too prioritized. For some reason there are no other runes that work well enough to be taking over it. Like if it were just a purchasable item it wouldn't be as bad, but it's actually just a free one time use zhonyas for whoever wants it.

paisy1 votes

You sound really bias. It's not abused by other classes because it wasn't not meant for them. An example of abuse would be relic shield on adcs, because it's an item not meant for them. They made the stasis effect available for everyone, meaning it's not abused just overused. But yes it should be removed.

Also about that Zed comment, Zed can only full combo-to-death-without-ult later on to the game if he's ahead or you aren't building armor. Plus he, too, has to land all 3 abilities for it to even happen like that. His q, shadow q, and shadow e.

Flemman1 votes

it's not a stopwatch problem imo but more of an inspiration one being less situationnal than they expected.

That tree was supposed to be the one you take from time to time when you want unortodox playstyle but is so overloaded with good stuff who far outclass raw stat provided in other tree that it make it an always good option at least as secondary tree (stopwatch+boots never a bad combo)

They kinda want to counter that in pbe atm with boot and stopwatch on the same tier but I doubt that it will impact a lot since they nerf boot too (no reason to take it anymore over stopwatch whil biscuit/5% cdr can stil be a good second rune in the tree)

Imo, that tree will never be balanced till it include item in it. It is a tree that is should help you explore certain playstyle (base on increrased cc, more use of abilities, conditionning stat amp), not give you free item for pressing 2/4 buttons in champ select (reason why klepto is also a problem to balance, too good on certain champ but near useless on champ who can't proc it effectivelly, creating one more item difference in game)

At this point, I just wish that during mid season, they got rid of the 5 runes who give item (maybe keeping minion destruction one that seems the healtier one) to replace them with actual "working around situation" stuff

rtbf2216514121 votes

Enemy item 2420 + Ally Soraka + Ally Soraka E = Death. Enemy item 2420 + Ally Veigar + Ally Veigar E = Death.

Skins Project1 votes

http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=mewko

Indeed such a mid lane main.

Mewko2 votes

Oh you can see my match history since Season 5?! Wow!

Skins Project1 votes

?!?

Ahri might be your rank one champion throughout most of the seasons, but the most played champion role is support with nami/lulu/janna.

Mewko2 votes

I did mention that I play mages. Including support and mid but I also play mid. I don't care if my match history proves wrong, I have played mid and I do play mid. Last reply to your post. xD

Skins Project1 votes

As a mid lane main isn't "I occasionally play mid"

ChaddyFantome1 votes

Dunno why anyone defended Stopwatch since its introduction. it was a bad idea from the outset.

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