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These are the 3 MAIN ISSUES THAT SEE WITH THE NEW POSITION RANK SYSTEM!!!!!

546f7047756e·10/18/2018, 12:10:57 AM·4 votes·2,548 views

(Quick look up position ranks if you don't know what it is) First, currently the NUMBER ONE unbalancing factor is actually people playing champs they are new to, rather than position. Me for example, I'm a Warwick jgler main (on my main account) and I hard carry in plat lvl ranks.However, I int hard every time I play leesin and in my silver smurf account i still struggle a bit when i play leesin jg. When I tried Wukong and nocturne jungle I naturally picked them up but still wasn't quite at my warwick jungle level. Then when I tried master yi, i feel like I'm no more than silver 2 lvl just like leesin. Most of the time when people do bad on my team, it is because they are playing a champ they don;t usually play, even though they got their main position. THis happens more often than you think (Just check na.op everytime you play).

Second issue is when people stop caring as much. Maybe I'm not trolling on purpose, but when I try off roles in the new position ranks, I already know that I won't play in try hard mode, like I do in my main role, so isn't this just going to cause more ranked games where people just care less and not try their best in general? Right now I DON'T play support, but when i get auto filled support, I still try my ABSOLUTE best to try and win and of all the games i got support or other roles on my main account, I still did a decent job. HOWEVER if this was position rank and I get autofilled, I def won't try or care nearly as much. This trying new champion issue is not addressed in the new system but will perhaps ENCOURAGE more carelessness in ranked game play as a whole.

Currently playing new champs and players not playing as hard as they can be (Cuz they already reached their goals to get Gold V or Plat V etc) is the LEADING cause of unbalanced games.

Third issue is, legitamate trolls? What If im gold, plat or diamond, but just want to int in another off position to get that new IRON RANK, so when people look at my profile, my rank will be from Diamond, to IRON, just for the LOLs? Lets say, If I intentionally lose 5 games, win a game, then troll another 3, win one, then int another 5 etc, will the system be able to detect me trolling? Because currently the system is extremely bad at detecting inting and trolls. EVEN IF I do get detected and drop some LP in my main position (as Riot mentioned losing too much in a row might affect your main role rank as well), how much does that really matter If I know I got the skills to win that back anyway??? I'll just win 2 in my main position then int more in my off till I eventually get iron.

And a BONUS ISSUE IS, what if I chose an offrole but during select I trade with someone ( thats maybe playing off role as well?) and play my main role instead. I'm Plat jgler in a silver game cuz I was silver adc but I traded with someone now I'm jg and perhaps they are also now playing their MAIN role. Wouldn't that tip the game into our favor by A LOT???

EDIT: To improve, I propose better and MORE DISTINGUISHABLE rewards for every division (Gold V, Gold 4 etc), and can just be a simple one like adding MUCH better distinguishable features on the border for each division. And get exclusive rewards if you are gold or above on 2, and 3, 4 and all 5 positions. Add unique rewards to gold and plat players, then more to diamonds. Rewards can be small from better looking borders, to big, like skins etc. BASICALLY add more rewards big or small the more people accomplish in ranks. DON'T make people feel like its "mission accomplished" once they reach Gold V or Plat V etc, make it feel like the next achievement reward unlock is always steps away. This will reduce the carelessness behavior in ranks, which is the number 1 unbalancing factor imo.

And by "more trolling" and "carelessness" to be more precise, I meant anything from inting, to trying out new champs, to most commonly, playing a troll pick. You already see a lot of this type of trolling happening in flex queue. Leona adc, teemo support, Thresh mid, etc. because people don't care about flex rank as much.

19 Comments

DrCyanide10/18/2018, 2:05:44 AM2 votes

I think you're 4 months late in your criticism, they've already got an answer to that. https://nexus.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/2018/06/dev-addressing-your-feedback-on-ranked-for-2019/

Paravozikchoocho10/18/2018, 2:37:12 AM2 votes

2nd issue It doesn't matter how hard you are trying ,the system will assign you to your deserved rank. It is like lifting 20kg for a strong person and for the weak person. Eventually the will both lift this 20kg . It is a matter of how many efforts you input to this. Same in league 1 player by trolling can reach same rank as another one trying. Different inputs, same output.

sneakydoug10/18/2018, 1:18:56 AM1 votes

"First, currently the NUMBER ONE unbalancing factor is actually people playing champs they are new to, rather than position."

Yes but there's no easy fix for that one. A commonly suggested alternative is to restrict players from ranking with any champs they have low play-rates with. This is itself a complete logistical nightmare. Restricting players to a handful of potential champs during matchmaking processes completely ruin those players winning chances if their mains are taken, banned, or turn out to be completely unfavorable given the team or enemy champion composition. At least with this new system players have a larger window of opportunity to play a wider range of champions, and it eliminates a players need for role knowledge. For example, your elo might range from platinum to silver in the jungle, depending on what the champion is... but what's your elo with ADC? Personally, I'm horrid with ADC and I don't even bother trying it because of how frequently I get stomped compared to any other lane. But with a personal rank just for ADC, that's eliminated. Sure, I might do much better and win more frequently with lucian than with ashe, but under the current system I can't even try either. So while this new system isn't a magic bullet, it's a step up from the current one.

"Second issue is when people stop caring as much. Maybe I'm not trolling on purpose, but when I try off roles in the new position ranks, I already know that I won't play in try hard mode, like I do in my main role, so isn't this just going to cause more ranked games where people just care less and not try their best in general? Right now I DON'T play support, but when i get auto filled support, I still try my ABSOLUTE best to try and win and of all the games i got support or other roles on my main account, I still did a decent job. HOWEVER if this was position rank and I get autofilled, I def won't try or care nearly as much. This trying new champion issue is not addressed in the new system but will perhaps ENCOURAGE more carelessness in ranked game play as a whole."

If you play position rank and autofill and throw your games, you'll quickly find yourself at the same elo as other players who don't care and throw their games. This issue would resolve itself. Right now there's a similar problem with players being autofilled and doing the opposite of your claim -they hate autofill, and they feed or troll or dodge. This new system creates a bit of space to let autofilled players practice their role if they so choose to against similarly skilled opponents. Sure, plenty of players won't play support and will still not care regardless, but I don't see this making anything any worse.

"Third issue is, legitamate trolls? What If im gold, plat or diamond, but just want to int in another off position to get that new IRON RANK, so when people look at my profile, my rank will be from Diamond, to IRON, just for the LOLs? Lets say, If I intentionally lose 5 games, win a game, then troll another 3, win one, then int another 5 etc, will the system be able to detect me trolling? Because currently the system is extremely bad at detecting inting and trolls. EVEN IF I do get detected and drop some LP in my main position (as Riot mentioned losing too much in a row might affect your main role rank as well), how much does that really matter If I know I got the skills to win that back anyway??? I'll just win 2 in my main position then int more in my off till I eventually get iron."

This isn't a new issue and this isn't an issue that can be fixed with any matchmaking process.

sneakydoug10/18/2018, 2:24:03 AM1 votes

Bro do you know how long and arduous it is to troll for 3 or 4 games and then play "seriously" and then troll again? It's literally a chore.

People don't gain in-game incentives to troll or not troll. It's a human condition. Some people enjoy pissing people off. Some don't. Some like actually trying hard, some like trying new things with new champs, and everywhere in between.

And those people who enjoy truly pissing people off -true trolling- they're gonna do it regardless of the ranked matchmaking system.

M00ndanc310/18/2018, 2:36:58 AM1 votes

ok first off i think your mistaken on how it works. If your plat 2 in your main role, at most you'll be ranked plat 4 in your off roles. so you will not have those times where it is a massive distance between your different roles. your first issue is going to be an issue no mater how many changes you make unless you remove bans and make mirror matches possible. The second one happens regaurdless as well but the thing is is that if you lose your game it lowers all your ranks roles