Supports, are they worth the gold they breathe?

SugarRayMoe·12/1/2016, 11:15:48 PM·2 votes·736 views

Imagine gold per 10 items not exisiting. Imagine that you dont get gold per time neither. You only get gold by farming, that's all.

I you want your gold you have to farm it. Would it be worth to steal 800g from vayne to give it to nami in order to buy a sighstone? (yes, yes, most OP item in the game blablablabla.... but would it be really worth it? remember that the enemy laner would have a lead of 800g over you since the very moment you do that). After that, steal another 900g from vayne so that nami can buy mobility boots (roaming is important isnt it guys?). Would you do it?

Well, I tell you that in that world (no gp10 items, no gold at all if not comming from farm) playing support with one single object would be a reportable offense. Still you would play it, because 1 adc full-farmed + 0g support > 2 adcs half-farmed.

Why do I say it? support is a role artificially assisted, they are not worth the gold they earn, and the only reason you have them in your team is because their gold is FREE and "few" is better than "nothing". Appart from that, they should be designed not to use any item. The only reason of their existance is not to use items since items are bought by gold and they are not worth the gold they earn, but that's another story.

Now imagine a role that is not allowed to do ANYTHING in the game, and that his only role is not to die and do 1% of the work any other role would do, just because 1% is better than 0%. Do you think that this role is a healthy role?

Now, the solution they gave was to give gold FOR FREE to the support, so that he doesnt feel bad. Actually this fix nothing, he's not worth this money. If you could chose whether to spend your money on you or on your teammates, supports would have no items at all anyway, the meta would be "take your money and give it to your adc". Do you think that this is a healthy role?

Dammit, and they wonder why there's no man on earth wanting to play that trash.

Please, remove this sh+t from the game.

26 Comments

Eedat12/1/2016, 11:23:08 PM8 votes

Imagine gold per 10 items not exisiting. Imagine that you dont get gold per time neither.

But they do exist and you do get gold with time so your entire point makes absolutely zero sense what-so-ever lol.

This thread is the equivalent of me saying something like "Imagine if AD didn't exist. ADCs are so bad because AD doesnt exist"

Requiemsfire12/2/2016, 12:01:11 AM4 votes

I'm a simple man, I saw title, I downvoted.

Kilanost12/1/2016, 11:38:30 PM4 votes

DOUBLE JUNLGE META TIME!!

EDIT: just an FYI, there are few things more useful than an competent support. Especially when they're smart enough to realize our adc is trash and they end up running around supporting me. lol

TyrekGoldenspear12/1/2016, 11:22:22 PM4 votes

As a fervent player of support, I both take offence to this and consider your post crass.

Face the sunLeona !

Or my pecs Taric !

Kaioko12/1/2016, 11:31:02 PM2 votes

What the heck is this thread. I'm picturing an adolescent teen sitting in front of his computer going "imagine if we didn't have computers we couldn't play League. Mind blow dude!"

Mecha MaIphite12/2/2016, 12:01:34 AM2 votes

They were all designed to function on less gold. What they lack in damage and tank, they make up for in utility (or built-in damage/tank).

Zelorxon12/2/2016, 12:24:05 AM2 votes

Didn't read it all, were you just farting out of your mouth just to say that you want sightstone removed because you see it as a "beta" item? Of course not, you were just memeing, i'm sure.

Silly Neeko12/1/2016, 11:28:53 PM2 votes

As a support main, i can tell you that even without gold the KIT is where its at. Supports would get the gold when the ADC backs, supports would then still have their kit. That scenario is like asking what would happen if the gold you have could be stolen if you got killed. That entire thing is a toxic scenario inwhich everyone will think their person deserves all the gold and no others should get gold. The free gold is not for the supports, its to minimize the toxicity that would happen if that is taken out.

Would YOU like to be trying to farm in mid/top/bott lane but the jungler decides your not worth the gold? Would YOU like to be stuck fighting for the little scraps of gold? Id rather play a support and get no gold than play an adc that gets no gold any day. The adc does not have the kit to back it up if they cant farm.

Just because you are useless at support does not mean anyone else is.

With that in mind, support champion kits are versitile. Most of the support champions can be played in other roles and do amazing due to their KIT. They have crowd control, they have engage or disengage or counter engage, they can be tanky and block or they can be hefty damage, often times both. Thresh would be played more for adc than lucian for example because even if they do not farm, they have utility to fall back on and kill/avoid being killed.

Dont shoot yourself in the foot because you do not think about what you say.

Ravenhale12/2/2016, 12:45:55 AM1 votes

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Go ahead. Remove all the gold items. Remove the GP10 Runes. Remove Starter Gold. Remove Gold Per Second for all Roles. I'm sure the Starter Gold and the GPS stat removal will hurt laners far more than it would hurt Supports.

It doesn't bother me. Did you actually think Supports require gold? I'm sure that Rank 5 Morgana Snare will still be worth it. I'm sure the Peel Janna and Alistar will still function. I'm sure I could still all in you with Leona at Level 2.

Do you have any understanding what a Support does?

AcidTheWarlock12/1/2016, 11:41:34 PM1 votes

Damn, I want what they're smoking.

ProudOfMyWiener12/1/2016, 11:53:20 PM1 votes

This guy is right though; Bard doesn't even do anything in this game.

All terrible incomprehensible jokes aside, what does this man want xD?! Supports provide utility in both Kit and Itemization choices. I feel like removing such "sh+t" would simply make the games more one-sided. It'll be down to which team has more mobility/utility. There will be almost no chance to make a comeback since most if not all utility will be gone. Your argument is built on a "What if" scenario which doesn't make sense in the first place (Pretty sure it's not supposed to, but oh well). I don't think the role is trash, I love the role of support! It's oppressive as hell (True), but seeing that one message in chat saying "Thank u XD" makes me forget the fact that we're dying down in bot for a while, and brightens up the game for me.

This is just my opinion though

midnight oil2412/2/2016, 12:36:51 AM1 votes

So basically you're saying that support is horrible because "imagine if you didn't have any of the stuff that gave you gold"? I've read your post five times now and it still doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

Reaper Soraka12/2/2016, 12:45:21 AM1 votes

Kind of a confusing post, but I'll try to reply...

If a support were receiving no passive gp10 or support item gold, it would definitely be worth investing 800g into her for a sightstone in most cases. If I were against ...high roaming champions (idk what to call them) like TF, Noct or Pantheon, it might just be better to just take Janna support and skip the gold deficit all together. You need a super strong disengage to deal with them, whether you have wards down or not.

Now if they have a moderate to weak ganking team comp like, say, Orianna mid and Elise jng, I'd definitely take a sightstone just to have a heads up of when they slowly move down lane toward us. Their ganking power can be reduced or nullified by simply moving away from them early enough.

Utility support bans and/or high roaming champs ban rates would spike so hard it wouldn't even be funny.

Edit: I'm sure in higher tier games (above gold) it would be necessary 100% of the time still, just because they make less mistakes and use their time more efficiently.

SoundChaosDebug12/1/2016, 11:20:40 PM1 votes

My reaction when I read your post

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAFK0qgjwE4