@Riot please give up on Morde bot lane...

flying banelings·11/25/2015, 6:01:16 PM·123 votes·4,947 views

There is one irrefutable fact about mord that makes it impossible for him to play bot. A melee champion that has no mobility, cc, or burst is going to get kited and stomped in lane. The only reason other melee champions can fight adcs is due to cc, mobility, or burst dmg. Even if you have an assassin's kit, you will have a terrible time in lane because if you try to get cc you quite literally get shot down.

So you want to put a non assassin, no cc , non tanky juggernaut bot lane ? It just isn't going to work. How about we look at some in game examples of this juggernaut vs range match up, so Garen is vs a Teemo top. This is argueably the most annoying matchup for Garen. So why would you do that to Mord players?

You say that you want to prevent him from doing stupid dmg , but when that's the only thing that's keeping him viable. Doesn't that indicate a flawed idea?

There is nothing wrong with trying something new, but when you try to defy the laws of the game you made why do it?

Putting Mordekaser bot lane is going to cause nothing but head aches and eventually he will be nothing like he used to be to make him a healthy carry option bot lane. Or hopefully he will be reinstated as a top lane solo ap caster juggernaut.

In the meantime I'll look for a new anti-snowball champion. Maybe new poppy, she looks fun.

67 Comments

t0ad511/25/2015, 7:00:51 PM16 votes

They need to revert the failed rework.

Solaxo11/25/2015, 9:19:05 PM9 votes

Riot admitting a mistake? Never!

UTIDAWA11/25/2015, 7:32:22 PM8 votes

The way I see Morde bot lane is that in order for him to succeed in the bot lane with a kit that keeps the core themes of his kit (No CC, no mobility, etc.) he has to roflstomp the god-tier in meta ADC's or he just isn't worth playing. Why would you pick a melee kinda tankyish champion with no real utility against a champion that can bully him out even with a support that has good heals? This is even more of an important question when Riot essentially removes unorthodox champion picks by nerfing either that champions core item for a role, nerfing the mechanics involved with the role, or buffing their opponents. This is what happened when TF jungle became popular and to get rid of that they nerfed the jungle creep reset mechanic. NVM that this did a hefty number on the clears of other ranged junglers like Kayle. So since the ADC's got some pretty nice itemization changes to bring them up to snuff with the mages and some ADC's got gameplay rework/changes the ADC's have quite a bit more potential than they used to making picking an actual Marksman much more viable than before.

Riot needs to take a look at all of the feedback from the thread in the devblog and acknowledge that very few of the Morde players from before the rework agree with the duo lane idea. Trying to balance him for both top and bot lane is only going to turn him into an unholy combination of Ryze and Kassadin where they just don't know what to do with him. This will only prolong the problem instead of addressing the fact that his kit, as it stands, can't be balanced for both top and bot lane without one being grossly over powered.

flying banelings11/25/2015, 7:40:52 PM5 votes

I couldn't agree more with you. Mordekaser bot is dumber than a 100% ad scaling on karthus's ult.

Erockandroll11/25/2015, 6:05:29 PM4 votes

weren't we asking them to defy the laws before? Did we not complain that ADC's are OP, they are the only required role in the game?

SelflessTeammate11/25/2015, 9:02:59 PM4 votes

It feels like a lot of people are forgetting that the entire reason marksmen go bot lane is because they're far more gold-dependent than they are level-dependent. That's why they're sharing their XP with their support. That's the complete idea why people do it at all, and always has been.

As someone who really, really likes Mordekaiser, and because I just have a soft spot for his pre-rework state and mixed feelings about post-rework, this rework experiment is something I don't really think can ultimately be balanced, or even made fun. Then they ripped away most of his solo-laning power and now are encouraging you to basically max his E first again, which was the skill I think they thought was so "oppressive" and toxic for laning. Maybe that and being able to W minions, which I'll continue to miss horribly.

I mean, I do like Dragon Force. I wanna keep that, that's fun. I like most of the other stuff he does, too. But just let the dude go back to solo laning, seriously. Drop the duo lane concept, I just don't think it's going to ultimately work, and after using him all this time post-rework, following all the changes, it's where this seems to be headed, anyway.

Habitz11/25/2015, 9:18:55 PM4 votes

RIOT DOESN'T FF [slayer-jinx-catface]

Szunray11/25/2015, 11:51:16 PM4 votes

They need to make morde bot lane work, so that I can take other melee's bot. I would argue that there are already melee champions in the game that would make excellent bot lane AD carries, but never would I ever be allowed to pick them. Back when morde Dominated however, when the enemy team picked him, my team would actually allow me to pick a melee. People were more receptive to the idea, and the dread of getting poked out of lane went away a little, since Morde was proving that (some) melees can sustain through it.

Truth be told, if they want to make ADC's not mandatory they need to start somewhere. Either they can be accused of trying to break the meta with a completely new champ, or they can be accused of trying to break the meta with Morde . Either way, boards wouldn't like it, so they might as well see this through.

flying banelings11/25/2015, 6:52:14 PM3 votes

Wow Panthion bot could be very strong bot lane , his passive shield can help him stay in lane longer and be more durible to harassment while you cs.

Matezoide11/26/2015, 4:05:07 AM3 votes

It amazes me how literally everyone said Mordekaiser Bot was going to be a massive failure, but Riot ignored it.

flying banelings11/25/2015, 7:08:07 PM3 votes

Also Corki, kayle, and Teemo are viable option for bot lane. The ranged but not fully ad in dmg. If your looking for a Meele bot lane I some times play zed or yasou bot ( yasou bot works well with heimer bot for some reason). Yasou works well because you can land your q's more often and zed works because you can line up your q with them and their cs.

MilfHuntUnitXJ911/25/2015, 9:17:15 PM3 votes

unrefutadle

cool story bro, do you mean irrefutable?

Secretlolz11/26/2015, 3:30:25 AM2 votes

I wish Riot gathered their feces in a nice little basket and accepted the Mordekaiser rework was bad , It was a failure. They tried to fix a toxic gameplay and just created something a thousand times more toxic.

Everybody at champion creation team should chill, get a bigass mug of coffee and discuss how thematically fitting is to have a champion whose core identity is Suffering, Domination and Brutaility to have him being dependant on someone else to achieve something. He should be a lane bully, something extremly resilent and capable of dealing endless destruction the more he dwells into the battle. Right now is was made a sassy bitch that needs a supporting holding his hand and a whole team being meatshields for him to land a third Q in order to do something.

Riot.Please. Aren't you ashamed?

Intone11/26/2015, 5:50:02 PM2 votes

except mordekaiser bot was a perma ban for quite a long time? A long of things can make up for those weaknesses.

AHEM sustain, crazy waveclear, nonstop poke, high armor

I think there might be MORE to how lanes work than you understand.

ZT Xperimentor11/26/2015, 1:52:51 AM2 votes
SettDownShutUp11/26/2015, 2:12:29 AM2 votes

Yep. That's about right.

But seriously where's mah Single Target W?

Lunar Lunacy11/26/2015, 4:54:22 PM1 votes

My main reason for disliking Morde bot actually doesn't focus on the lane matchup, although you have some good points there. My issue with it is the complete lack of siege potential unless he happens to get a successful ult on the enemy adc prior. While the enemy Caitlyn is poking away at your turrets you'll have Morde trying desperately to wave clear while being kited. Its strategic value is considerably less because of the lack of much contribution to taking towers and other objectives.

RattleKnight11/27/2015, 4:27:16 AM1 votes

well if you have a good support, moderkaiser is good to be honest. I have played him for many games and I did just fine, most of the time i dominate the lane too. With Rylai , your E (which has relatively low cd if you build cdr) slow target so you can stick with them easier. Rylai + phage , its not that impossible to back him up. Again, you need a good support so team comp matters. Supports with hard cc and tanky like Tahm, Braum, Leona, are great. Both of you build the supporting item make it easier to farm and last hit. You can sacrifice some last hit to stay safe. Just dont give them any kill, once you have a good combo on the enemy, he/she is dead.

Lintu Puck11/27/2015, 4:57:45 AM1 votes

here is the thing about bot though, he has a buddy to help him murder faces Leona Thresh Blitzcrank Nautilus - distance, grabs, cc, tank stuff Janna Soraka Sona - healing, utility, harass and so on and so forth. lack of mobility/cc/burst didn't hurt him in the solo lane where he could easily come across a champ that could poke the shit out of him and kite him while laughing, and bot lane is no different in that regard