Id never thought I would say it but im permabanning Teemo because Dark Harvest procs with Mushrooms

lolenforcer·12/2/2018, 7:03:17 PM·31 votes·15,086 views

I know a good team would deward them but in silver it is crazy.

The braindead adc's on your team will run into the jungle and get hit by 1 shroom, it will slow them down and reveal their location, and then the enemy team will come and kill them or they will hit another shroom that procs dark harvest and then they will die. Not to mention all the nerfs to vision make teemo's shrooms extremely valuable.

Teemo is crazy strong, I wonder if in LCS it will become meta due to vision control.

52 Comments

Lanakila Au12/2/2018, 8:30:13 PM17 votes

You dont like going to contest baron, running into a shroom, then having to back because youre at 10% health?

Agent Corgi12/2/2018, 7:37:52 PM14 votes

Nothing quite sends a message like Deleting people with a Single Mushroom. [sg-ahri-2]

Noor Sakata12/2/2018, 7:45:32 PM12 votes

really , in late game a single shroom applies dark harvest , had a match where Teemo got fed and I died from a single shroom lmao

Meredith Stout12/2/2018, 7:10:59 PM8 votes

Or just buy red trinket?

ModAcademy Kayn12/2/2018, 8:44:41 PM4 votes

Dark Harvest needs a range.

ez mental boom12/2/2018, 8:31:14 PM4 votes

Teemo will never be meta in LCS for a myriad of reasons

His short range, his lack of safety, his squishiness, his lack of usefulness outside laning, etc.

Full Brain12/2/2018, 7:43:35 PM4 votes

After all the nerfs on the PBE you are getting about as much damage out of cheap shot with Teemo as Dark Harvest until you get to like 20+ stacks and a death cap. It is a good keystone on him largely because it is a good tree for him. What people have been running with him before this are tank Teemo with Grasp which is really annoying to lane against until you hit 6 and start destroying him with most top laners or Aery which does synergize with him but the rune tree is just fucking garbage in sorcery and a waste to take. So even if these latest nerfs go through it is nice to have a good rune build path for him when you are building for damage.

When DH was 80+8 he was insanely broken. While everyone was crying about Karthus getting double procs occasionally Teemo was 100-0ing squishies with a single mushroom and getting 35-50 DH stacks a game.

mack911212/2/2018, 11:38:19 PM4 votes

But the in lane poke lost from aery is just immense .

Saianna12/2/2018, 11:26:01 PM3 votes

Inb4 teemo nerfs because he isn't zed or anything flashy nor edgy enough to keep relevant

FOR JUSTICE12/2/2018, 9:10:10 PM2 votes

NANI?!?!?

TEEMO IS ACTUALLY GONNA BE META???????

Ranmaru12/2/2018, 11:49:57 PM2 votes

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The Trent12/3/2018, 4:54:09 AM2 votes

Even in plat it's not like everyone is remembering to always buy pink wards and red trinkets. Teemo is weak because he's easy as hell to kill and gank. I've stepped on like a ton of teemo shrooms it's just they do no damage because he's always like 0/10.

KamakaziGumiBear12/3/2018, 1:49:24 AM2 votes

I feel like Dark Harvest is a noob trap, its lower dps than the other runes baring best case scenarios, and most of these people dont play at a level were they can benefit from it. I mean I dont really mind playing vs all these people with dark harvest because they are far less effective than they should be, but I hate when my ADC has it and at the end of the game has like 16 stacks..... Its good on a few select champions where it enhances their play style but on the rest the other keystones do far more.

ModCaliCoastReplay12/3/2018, 7:34:35 AM2 votes

I believe Teemo doesn't see a lot of LCS play because he's so bad in any teamfight that don't actually involve someone getting hit by a mushroom. Low ELO, and SoloQ games generally, tend to feature more solo laning/farming and far less teamwork than LCS, and Teemo feasts on both things. The second you get to LCS, everyone is actually generally coordinated and working together at the highest level, which really screws up the squirrel's hustle. Every LCS-level player in League knows how to structure a team to sweep properly avoid the majority of mushrooms, and then the team with Teemo has no frontline. You really don't want him out in front going "You want a piece of me????", going toe to toe with an LCS-level Aatrox on toplane scalings to see whose frontline gives way first.

That being said, it would be really fun to see Riot do a "scrim series" where pros are encouraged and rewarded for picking champions across the entire roster! I'd love to see what some of the pros could do on solo-Q and off-meta picks, as one of my biggest issues with pro play is how constrained the meta becomes, leaving no pro-level examples of how to play the wider variety of League's champions.


By the way, I have banned Teemo more or less consistently in the toplane for ages, for what it's worth, especially on the blind. It's not that I can't beat one - but allowing him into the mix severely limits some of my best choices as I play a lot of juggernauts, and I think I'd often choose to pour concrete for an hour over trying to eke out wins against him on any autoattack-focused champ.

I feel it's an older kit that has mostly only survived to the modern era via its less interactive mechanics (the blind particularly), and I would definitely consider Teemo a prime champion for a future rework, though certainly not as urgent as Kayle . This rework wouldn't have to be a major one, just one that takes some community suggestions, like debuffing his blind to a nearsight and/or making it a passthrough skillshot in exchange for giving him a little bit more power in teamfights - maybe something like altering the mushroom throw a bit, give it a hold-down windup and a bounce pattern, and making it explode directly against champions instead of rooting? That would give him more placement range utility in a teamfight while removing the gameplay pattern that gives a lot of melee champions no counterplay in lane against him.

Sire Hippington12/3/2018, 4:24:58 PM1 votes

I perma ban teemo cause i main top and he limits the number of champs i can viably pick (and have fun with) very hard. Atm, the game is ALL about lane dominance, and for most matchups, Teemo offers just that, so he's generally rather strong atm.

Red Thought12/3/2018, 7:18:05 PM1 votes

Hmm Perma ban Teemo? Have you played against a decent Dark Harvest Karthus?

Meritas12/2/2018, 7:09:59 PM1 votes

Yea, I thought that it's weird that I don't see more Emos because of Dark Harvest. While Dark Harvest shouldn't be broken strong, I think that the idea of certain runes making obsolete champions relevant again is kind of good. If nothing else, it helps them until they get a proper rework.

I only ban Riven12/4/2018, 1:40:05 PM1 votes

LOL, I feel you bro! Teemo's quite strong with DH but it's a 50-50 chance that he'd get fed and carry the game or lose the game and be a mobile ward. I'd say a well placed Galio can win the teamfight and the game against a teemo. Permabanning him is however a good solution. I'm also permabanning something I hate, and so far I'm so happy with my choice.

BlinkZZ18212/2/2018, 7:21:01 PM1 votes

That has nothing to do with dark harvest.

Beerstein12/2/2018, 8:31:16 PM1 votes

Yeah, I lost a game where it felt like we were winning but lost, no one on enemy team had over 20k damage, SUPPORT teemo had like 50k.

Janna Me Fiddle12/2/2018, 9:05:36 PM1 votes

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I know a good team would deward them but in silver it is crazy.

The braindead adc's on your team will run into the jungle and get hit by 1 shroom, it will slow them down and reveal their location, and then the enemy team will come and kill them or they will hit another shroom that procs dark harvest and then they will die. Not to mention all the nerfs to vision make teemo's shrooms extremely valuable.

Teemo is crazy strong, I wonder if in LCS it will become meta due to vision control.

Teemo should be pretty much banned anyway, keep top lane free of toxicity.

Beerstein12/2/2018, 9:17:03 PM1 votes

Support Teemo in a nutshell https://i.imgur.com/ykxTN48.png

Spank the Fox12/3/2018, 1:10:13 AM1 votes

You should base your bans around high pickrate champions.

No point banning champions that are seldom picked. That’s what dodging is for

Beerstein12/3/2018, 1:31:07 AM1 votes

For some reason I got wrong runes in game, not the ones I had selected, though I hear it's happening to a lot of people. Anyway, playing Teemo with no DH was rough.

GrReaper9612/3/2018, 1:46:38 AM1 votes

Not to mention cheap shot works extremely well with them too

Theorchero12/3/2018, 3:55:34 AM1 votes

Buy a control ward and plop that bitch down before a teamfight? You can carry up to two at once. They're 75g and rather easy to deal with. The champion may be annoying but he's in a weak state and gets shit on by competent laners or any actually good players. If you find you struggle with him but you aren't buying a red trinket or control wards then it's honestly your own fault and you don't really deserve any sympathy imo.

KoKoboto12/3/2018, 4:23:15 AM1 votes

Teemo does this shit without dark harvest

Nevrankroaton12/3/2018, 6:50:38 AM1 votes

When I asked about teemo viability, I didn't expect Riot to give us back vietnam PTHD for people XD

Curious Kat12/3/2018, 8:50:34 AM1 votes

I'm perma banning Poppy from now on. 1 shotting 500 movement speed anti dash with shield with 3 forms of cc bullshit of a fucking atrocity champion.

munraker12/3/2018, 12:42:51 PM1 votes
Craktite12/3/2018, 4:18:45 PM1 votes

Isn't a problem for me, it also proc Comet and Aery, so why not?