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"Riot keeps letting CertainlyT make champions, do they have any idea what they're doing?"

1 800 GGTOOEZ·8/12/2018, 11:59:53 PM·124 votes·23,135 views

Yes. Riot knows EXACTLY what they're doing. The fact is, that despite every single one of CertainlyT's original champions being a balancing nightmare which ruins solo queue and professional play, his champions are fun for the person playing them. They style on opposing champions who don't have nearly as many tools as his champions do.

Getting oneshot a screen away by Zoe? Feels pretty good for thr guy doing it. Playing a champion like Xerath and being unable to do absolutely anything meaningful to Yasuo because he has half a brain and a functioning E key? Makes the Yasuo player feel skilled for dodging all over the place and then dumpstering you for having no tools which work against him. The fact is, CertainlyT's champions sell skins. Kled is two years old without a new skin despite the fact that there are so many potential themes for rider and mount, yet Zoe got a pool party skin already (keep in mind that they didn't want to give Annie one because of the implications.)

Look at the skins CertainlyT's champions have. Darius with two legendary skins. Yasuo with a legendary and a massive fuckton of other skins. Thresh with a legendary and a bunch of other skins. Kalista with a championship skin.

Yes, Riot knows CertainlyT's champions are stupidly unfun to play against, are a balancing nightmare, and are impossible to keep fair in both solo queue and professional play. No, they don't care. It makes them money, and money speaks louder than any board complaints.

147 Comments

Ahpe8/13/2018, 12:05:24 AM80 votes

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/256/183/9d5.png

He's got a point.

DuskDaUmbreon8/13/2018, 12:21:51 AM53 votes

You do have a point, although you went too far towards the "Evil greedy rito" side of the argument, instead of towards "He makes fun champions" side.

Also, Xerath should stomp a Yas in lane. Sure, he can dodge with E...But that requires being on top of your minions, and nearly everything of yours ignores his W.

Also also, the difference between Annie and Zoe is that Annie is actually 12, while Zoe just looks 12. Besides, I don't think you could have made a good pool party skin for Annie, it just doesn't mesh well with her at all. The only "fun" she has is the deranged kind, while Zoe is much more...carefree.

SwiftKitten888/13/2018, 12:26:52 AM38 votes

.... umm duh i have pointed this out in every single thread his champions are discussed.. his champs are extremely fun. but they lack counterplay..

certainlyT needs to go make a singleplayer game or a PVM one... not a PVP game.. because he has no concept of counter-play

La Bello8/13/2018, 2:09:31 PM11 votes

what I dont get is why Riot never tries to find a in between.

Why do they just ACCEPT that his champs are frustrating instead of trying to meet CartainlyT victims half way.

How about giving windwall a # of attacks/spells HP bar or making its strength connected to Yasuo's flow? How about removing Zoe's ability to get spells from minions so she cant RNG win the lane? How about giving Rend a damage cap so she cant infinitely stack autos and outsmite junglers?

Instead Riot just looks the other way as though the money generated by his antics justifies the suffering they induce. like Blood money being used for a noble cause.

UnboundHades8/13/2018, 12:07:01 AM11 votes

playing against yas as xerath really isnt too bad since the only thing he can block is your e and you can just poke him down with q by predicting his movement if hes a decent yas or just hitting him if he doesnt know what hes doing

Divewing8/13/2018, 3:47:54 AM10 votes

I played Zoe yesterday.

I more so felt there was a special circle of Hell that has now been vacated specifically for me.

kargish8/13/2018, 1:07:58 PM9 votes

I wouldn't mind CertainlyT's designs if they didn't have to break at least 1 rule of the game. It comes with every champion or rework he designes.

Darius is the first champion that literally had an ability built around securing penta kills. Katarina was also sorta like that, but her release version was way less about fast execution than her later versions. The outrage when Darius was first released was loud, and there were so many discussions on how he would starve gold from the carries back in season 3.

Yasuo has the ability to literally block entire kits with his wall. He's also one of the only, if not the only, champions that can use an ability cvia other champions kits (knock up).

Kalista literally a dash with every auto

Zoe old Nidalee playstyle where you'd get oneshot from more than a screen away, only this time she can also CC you to guarantee that it connects

Mordekaiser some weird thing about forcing a juggernaut into bot lane

Akali for some reason, even though we just sorted this out with the assassin rework, has true invisibility that you can't reveal in any way what so ever. Camouflage and invisibility was made for the purpose of making stealth less frustrating.

Every time we set some sort of rule or a philosophy, this man comes in and finds a way to break reality as we know it.

Teridax688/13/2018, 2:41:19 AM7 votes

See, I'm inclined to believe that this is indeed the mentality driving the release of those kind of champions, and many more recent kits. When asked about Zoe, Ghostcrawler openly admitted that even the QA lead thought she was one of the most frustrating champions in the game to play against, but that the team still decided to release her anyway, because they felt she could still provide some net benefit. The problem I find with this kind of mentality, however, is that it's ultimately shallow and not all that great even in pure business terms. Sure, Yasuo may look good on the balance because he's selling a lot of skins, but that doesn't account for the number of people who may have quit League, or otherwise not purchased content, because of his existence. It may be more difficult to measure, and to some extent I suspect Riot doesn't even want to measure this, but it is still likely to have a large impact, particularly since League has indeed been declining over some time. CertainlyT's champions are notoriously cannibalistic in how the enjoyment they generate for the player comes at the expense of everyone else's, and it is likely they have the same impact on Riot's overall revenue. If nothing else, a game that becomes increasingly less popular is unlikely to generate more money.

FixHealsRemoveGW8/13/2018, 11:08:29 AM2 votes

I am sure there are other champions that players hate. Players tend to do that. I don't think it's reasonable and I also think if you have this irrational bias against certain champions you should at the very least admit it and stop taking this opinion of yours so seriously. It's not objective and has no significance in a debate about game quality. Try to be a bit more aware of yourselves.... You can't treat your dislike as a fact without any further reasoning. You are crossing a line there. In fact this line has been crossed too many times, consistently over and over again to the point that it has become commonly accepted and people feel safe doing so in groups. This is really bad.

Try to be individuals, think for yourselves, it doesn't matter what others say.

Ahris8/13/2018, 12:58:15 PM2 votes

Its hard to make skins for kled since he essentially needs two with the mount and without.