'Its just Preseason Riot will fix it before the season starts, you're overreacting'

Nausicäa ·11/26/2018, 5:56:12 AM·48 votes·13,257 views

Ya just like they fixed s8's preseason? Pretty much nothing changed from the first preseason patch to the start of the season. Damage was too high from day one of preseason to the end of the season. It took them 9 fucking months into s8 to even acknowledge that burst damage was too high.

Every year its the same thing. Broken Preseason changes that make the game worse, Riot takes their company wide 1 months Christmas and New Years vacation, patch in January with minor band aid fixes and then they promise to actually fix the game in Mid Season.

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Douglas Funnie11/26/2018, 10:59:58 AM30 votes

Unfortunately, Riot cant do much at this stage of the game since it's Preseason 9. We'll have to wait until the end of next year when Preseason 10 starts. Hopefully, Riot will fix the issues we are facing at the moment.

Teridax6811/26/2018, 1:55:11 PM17 votes

I feel a lot of players are looking at this Preseason the wrong way: a vocal minority of people are saying everyone's overreacting because the changes aren't so bad, but the problem isn't simply with what Riot has changed, but what they haven't changed: for three years now, players have been complaining about damage creep in the game, and the resulting snowballiness of matches and cheapening of play. This reached a boiling point in Preseason 8, where Riot's changes to Runes doubled down on this problem, and added more on top, notably more RNG mechanics that are almost universally loathed. Season 8 suffered severely because of it, with developers frequently getting into arguments with their own players, because the latter were completely fed up at the state the game had gone into. Content creators abandoned the game faster than they did before, but not before calling out League and Riot for the same problems. Finally, after months of denial and gaslighting, Riot finally caved and admitted that damage may be a bit too high, and games a bit too snowbally. Preseason was the time to fix this, and with the playerbase on edge, it really was make or break time. Riot absolutely needed to deliver a solution to the state of damage and snowballing in the game.

As it turns out, they didn't. Not only that, but their Preseason changes don't even seem to acknowledge damage creep in the game, particularly since damage has only gone up across the board. As far as Preseason changes go, these ones are probably among the tamest in the game's history, but the problem is precisely that these changes do nothing to address critical problems in the game's balance. This was supposed to be Riot's window of opportunity to finally fix the game, or at least lay the groundwork for it to be fixable over time, but unless we're getting a second Preseason this year, that window has already closed. Because of the structure of the game's updates, this also means that we'll be unlikely to see changes of that magnitude until next year, by which time it will be more than far too late. In many respects, it's not unlike Bethesda revealing that their next games would all be using their broken, outdated version of the Gamebryo engine: the devs have locked themselves into a design direction that is so poor it will cause serious harm to their company, yet that they cannot realistically escape from in the coming months. The only thing we can do is sit back and watch the train launch itself off a cliff in slow motion.

Velzard of Koz11/26/2018, 3:28:34 PM5 votes

We have a new one, though. "It's just the first patch". Hopes are higher than my former roomate.

mack911211/26/2018, 11:37:22 AM4 votes

The current game state is pretty good in my opinion.

Stupafly11/26/2018, 4:46:23 PM4 votes

Pretty sure this is a strawman. There is only a minority of deluded people that actually believes "riot will fix this before season starts".

Most people defending riot just don't agree with "the sky is falling" sentiment that is OVERWHELMING on these boards.

Illabethe11/26/2018, 11:45:39 AM3 votes

They changed quite a bit from Preseason 8...... albiet some of it came shortly after the preseason because of 1) PBE testing and 2) Christmas staff vacations.

Zoe underwent 3 patches in the first 3 months.

Fleet Footwork was nerfed.

HP values of Resolve were nerfed.

Aftershock was nerfed.

Grasp of the Undying was nerfed.

AD champs were added starting Magic resist scaling to compensate for old runes (Mages/adcs were added 9 Armor in the initial patch)

I'm not going to go through the entire list, but yeah. Things WERE changed. A LOT of them.

The only thing that took 9 months was a restructure of Electrocute. And it's actually stronger now in some cases than it was, because instead of one big hit every 50-25 seconds, it's now one moderate hit every 25 - 15 seconds. Some champs actually work better with the new structure, like Zyra.

doiminat0r360011/26/2018, 4:55:11 PM2 votes

I mean, I understand what you're saying, but we've been in preseason for like... a week or two???

There's probably more changes to come. Be patient.

ModAcademy Kayn11/26/2018, 7:22:10 PM1 votes

That's not what we're fucking saying. We're saying, give it one fucking patch before you start complaining and asking for reverts. But no! Generalize the argument, straw man it! This is certainly the right mind set to go with!

ValiantKiller11/26/2018, 3:35:07 PM1 votes

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Ya just like they fixed s8's preseason? Pretty much nothing changed from the first preseason patch to the start of the season. Damage was too high from day one of preseason to the end of the season. It took them 9 fucking months into s8 to even acknowledge that burst damage was too high.

Every year its the same thing. Broken Preseason changes that make the game worse, Riot takes their company wide 1 months Christmas and New Years vacation, patch in January with minor band aid fixes and then they promise to actually fix the game in Mid Season.

And mid season change was gutting scaling junglers plus tanks and leaving it open for busted champions early duelists like xin, graves and etc

Chromatic Eagle11/26/2018, 6:08:14 PM1 votes

To be fair, I’m sure there have been changes, but not the ones people want.