Title, been on my smurf playing recently and hit diamond on it. Decided to check the leagues and saw that nearly 1/3 of the people in diamond 4* have a 45% winrate or less and about 60% of them have a winrate of 49% of less. Whats going on?
How can they be Diamond and 45% win rate and Im in Silver with 50%?
Diamond player with 45% win rate to Silver player with 49% win rate:
"You're exactly where you should be, if anything you should be lower. Its your fault you're not climbing."
In the early ranked season the ranked LP gains and loses were out of places. I mean they were players with 45 % winratio in Challenger. Why? Because all gained 25-30 LP on win and lose 10-15 on loss. That way it was flat out easier to climb. Later this year Riot rest ladder in diamond + but still they are players in masters and diamond that grind games and they are there. Also they are the real diamond players that they are hardstuck and cant impove.
I got demoted out of Diamond and have a 53% wr
Ranked is an odd world these days
Its because of how the system is set up and how elo is gained and loss vs who you play against. A 45% winrate diamond player can in fact still be better than a 60% winrate silver player.
First off Winrate doesn't = skill entirely
Second when you hit different tiers you start facing opponents of different skill levels, so you could have been winning games hard and fast to climb quick giving you a HIGH % winrate at lower elos as you zip past them, but then once you hit where you and other players you face have similar skill your winrate starts to even out.
Now because of how the system works your elo / lp gains and drops get skewed at different thresholds, A silver player facing other silver players will have lower lp losses and gains than say if a silver player faced gold players, this holds true for all the elos, so a diamond player is facing (hopefully) other diamond players so if they are losing enough to gain 45% winrates it doesnt mean they are the same skill of a silver 45% winrate player, they are still probably better its just they are facing a different class of people.
And in EVERYGAME someone has to lose, which means there has to be kind of a leeway of lp / elo both in negative and positive %winrates 45-55% isnt really that far fetched to STAY in your tier / elo thats why 55% winrate diamond players are still diamond AS WELL because there hitting those lp and elo gains just enough to stay but lose enough to not climb, and same for a 45% winrate, they could be gaining enough lp to stay but losing enough to also not climb.
have a slightly negative or slightly positive winrate doesnt mean you "Deserve" to be a different tier, it just means you are facing players of similar skill and losing or winning a bit more than them. this is why you still have 45% winrates in ANY TIER without demotion and also 55% winrates without promotions
Once they get into high plat/diamond 4, they start losing a lot more. It's extremely hard to demote.
It's the matchmaking that makes you have winning streaks and then losing streaks over and over, idk which proplayer talked about it in depth, but who i remember talking about it is Faker saying that there are extremely big winning streaks and losing streaks and in past times people won't have larger losing streaks and get demoted and promoted for challenger so quickly and so often. Probably those 45% wr diamonds are people who demoted from higher tiers. The matchmaking is pretty bad imo and doesn't make any sense.
I'm plat 4 with 48% winrate Huge win streaks into huge lose streaks It's not fun
Early season mmr/matchmaking issues made people obtain ranks they don't deserve.
it partly has to do with the role ranked at the start and you see it in almost every elo lvl. I had like a 10% wr as a support so when they put the totals together i ended up wth a 35% wr in bronze for a while in at about 46% in silver 1 now on my main acct also i have sen win rates at about 35% to 40% holding thier rank and or climbing.
Demote protection, bought accounts, 1 tricks getting autofilled into shit they can't play, the list goes on.
They dodge bad match-ups. Maybe it counts as a loss, but for less LP lost?
I dunno, I don't dodge.
