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All the Vladimir nerfs...

Prozac Horseman·9/9/2016, 3:42:02 PM·11 votes·2,825 views

So, what the hell is up with nerfing Vladimir to death? He already has chopsticks for knees and you guys still need to use the arsenal? Please just keep in mind that Vladimir, now being one of the most predictable and counterable champions in-game, has a sub-50% win-rate, and you're still going Godfather-style on him, with the baseball bats and all... But hey, let's buff Lux and Nocturne, amirite??? It's funny, you see, how you guys said that removing spell vamp was a bad thing for Vladimir, so you'd find a way to keep him the self-healing machine that he is, or should I say, was. Played him quite a bit these past few days, and a lvl 18 Vladimir that barely heals himself is useless. BUT, BUT... But what about Crimson Rush??

Ah! That's barely even cute. So basically you have that admittedly impressive bonus on your Q, called Crimson Rush... Impressive on paper, yeah... First, it's all fun and games until you notice how utterly predictable Crimson Rush is, with your resource bar going bright-ass yellow then red, so people can automatically know when to just back off! How fun is that!? The only thing you can come close to do well is bully... Bully for the time Crimson Rush lasts which, surprise surprise, isn't alot... Which brings me to my second point: Crimson Rush barely lasting 2 seconds is complete Bullcrap with a capital ''B''. ''And why is that?'' Well, dear friends, I present to you: Annie! This champion, at 4 stacks she has the ultimate mindgame, bully tool: her stun that she, if wanted could keep on all game long!

''Yeah, but Kreaspy, Annie's stun makes up for her WHOLE passive and is a prime component of her kit, Vlad's Crimson Rush is merely a passive helping him stay viable, are you really gonna ask us to make Vlad's Crimson Rush potentially last for ever?'' Thing is: I actually completely agree with such argument, even if I despise Annie, making her Stun potential last 2 seconds would be unfair, like really unfair. That's why I won't ask for Vlad's Crimson Rush to be potentially permanent. Still, it only lasts 2 seconds, so you can see what Riot tried to do here, they obviously meant Crimson Rush to be used in teamfight/full ham/1v1 situations. But what about his Q doing what it was originally intended for: healing him?

I like that you tried Riot, but Vladimir's healing is now but a shadow of what it once was, old Vladimir was cancerous because he healed too much, making room for some disgusting Katarina-level no-skill 1v5's. New Vladimir, is the complete opposite, you're level 15 with like ~300 AP, just got out of a fight, like 450 hp left, and you get cornered by, let's say their ''Sejuani'', so you're, k heal time, then you Q hear, and heal for like 40 hp... But with new Vladimir if you can actually land Crimson Rush with low hp, you'll heal for like 1200 hp... And you called old Vladimir unhealthy? I sincereley think the old Q was better: you'd heal a good bit, without healing for 1200+... I mean ok you can start Q'ing them to prepare your Crimson Rush... but if you're caught with 200 hp and no Q stacks, then you're done, during that time when I relia gets caught at 200 hp by like 2 full life ennemies, the she's gonna 1v2 them easy and after she'll be full life... So now Vlad can't fight without his Crimson Rush, which is already disgudtingly predictable. Cool! And don't even get me started on his new E if you're talking about being presdictable as hell... So you get slowed, and then start channeling this circular AoE spell, that does an actual impressive lot of damage... But then again, unless you're in a teamfight, or you have a Sivir, a Kled and 46 Janna's in front of you, you ain't gonna hit much, except maybe your own ego. Also, annemies see these huge channeling particle effects and they're like ''k'', and then just walk away... (Oh yeah, I forgot to mention, you just increased the Cooldown on his E! After also nerfing his Q and base hp, in the same patch, when it's like the 3rd or 4th time you nerf him in a row.) I know I'm gonna get bashed by downvotes for this post, but if the little Yasuo special snowflakes can go in a tantrum because he gets nerfed once, then I can rant about Vladimir getting repeatedly and constantly nerfed multiple times in a row. So thank you for reading I guess.

If you agree then k, and if you disagree, then k... Like you have your freedom of speech tbh.

30 Comments

Prozac Horseman9/9/2016, 3:47:37 PM5 votes

P.S: I know some people want Vlad nerfed because they're not able to handle the new Vlad in lane, but my whole argument is based solely in situations where you lane against actual competent ennemies with a brain.

Nahui9/9/2016, 3:54:54 PM3 votes

It's less consistent healing, larger bursts of it though. And just because something is predictable doesn't mean it's necessarily avoidable. Yeah you can see the rush. It doesn't mean you can simply avoid it. A ranged point click with decent range is predictable but with the speed, can often be unavoidable. This is contrast to abilities like death mark, Parallel Convergence and Deadly Flourish that have set up times, are telegraphed in many ways, and have set situations where you just expect it (Jhin hitting you or someone hitting you, W will come. Ekko engaging on you, especially if you see where he casts it from, zed engaging and having a small set up time, typically when you're in a vulnerable position.) Vlad just gains a bunch of movement speed and rushes at you to nuke you and heal him.

Really all you can do is back off until it's gone, which is fair, but being predictable doesn't make it useless. It's why storm raiders and ghost make him so good in terms of narrowing the range of available actions when he does get his rush.

I personally hate the new Vlad. He's easier to whittle down, but his big bursts of healing are just so irritating to champions that deal high amounts of damage.

But they nerf him due to the pro scene. He's a huge asset in mid lane due to him rushing mr benefits him hard in lane, sort of like a mana less Galio. I understand he does less upfront burst than most mid mages, which is the trade off for picking him, but he's quite tanky fairly early in the game while having good sustain and in the current meta, team fights are being dictated by the longest lasting team, I.e why so many tanks are getting GA. He's simply a sturdy champion with great sustain that still does Great damage. He presents a huge threat in fights so he has to be dealt with no matter how tanky, (Like Darius) however unlike Darius, he has multiple ways to circumvent focus and death (Massive sustain plus the pool ) Darius sustains too but it's a little harder to do and can be kited.

TWITCHTV ERONATE9/9/2016, 7:15:25 PM2 votes

man as long as vlad builds full tank and manages to deal a lot of damage i'm fine with him being nerfed into the ground. seriously, i'd be ok with him being ap but it's really cancer facing a vlad that rushes spirit visage and if you're ap you have 0 chances against him anymore

TyrekGoldenspear9/9/2016, 10:49:43 PM2 votes

Vladimir got turned from an awesome bloodmage to a Twilight Vampire that sparkles in the sun.

adidas9/9/2016, 4:08:59 PM2 votes

have you fought vladimir lately? He has nothing to do with the LCS. Hes such a fucking nuisance to fight. item 3065 item 3116 item 3001 item 3157 item 3135

Tell me how the hell anybody even touches vlad.. i hate fighting him

lilpokfluf9/9/2016, 3:47:30 PM2 votes

Someone made a pretty good thread about this the other day about how this patch isn't aimed at solo queue but more for the lcs. It sucks but there's not much you can do he gets abused in competitive play by having teams build around him and he gets nerfed for solo players who can't hope to replicate the same strategy without a pre made. Search for the thread if you want more info

Klei9/10/2017, 3:39:00 PM1 votes

NERF HIM TO THE GROUND XD 0 skill Vlad kid mains are crying beacuse they cant oneshot anyone with penakill aoe ability E while being untargetable.

WoonStruck9/9/2016, 4:13:23 PM1 votes

They keep nerfing Vlad because he's pick/ban in competitive.

Unfortunately, Riot doesn't seem to realize WHY he's pick/ban in competitive.

Hint: Its the 10% damage amp on his ult.

They'll have to literally gut him to the point where he's unusable in order for pros to not utilize that, especially in a damage-focused meta.

Teémò9/9/2016, 6:46:22 PM1 votes

My only concern for now against the vladimir's is that champions are getting stat changes beccause of how qss no longer removes secondary effects. Fiora Darius Teemo Zed Mordekaiser Malzahar BrandFizz obviously you don't want to go qss against a zed, but It was a staple item and with tenacity being so easy to obtain in the meta right now item 3111 item 2138 It makes qss feel almost garbage.

but I agree the Qis really what's effecting him. It provides power that although isn't hidden by the health bar it can be a huge damage dealer/ healer but if he doesn't have it he doesn't have the sustain. I went soraka top against one and would just E him and spam Q and I won lane xD

woodvsmurph9/10/2016, 8:27:45 AM1 votes

Hi. I win or go even in top like 95% of ranked even though I'm generally camped by the enemy jungler and/or counterpick and vs a guy with ignite vs my to. And no I'm not on a smurf account when I do this. I haven't gotten to test if the new needs to Vlad are good or bad, but I can say without a doubt that he needed some kind of nerf/change. You basically get a free lane vs any ap as Vlad. Vs any ad, you have ranged poke and sustain advantage. You scale insanely. Others have more burst or more sustain or mobility, but Vlad has the most disgusting combo of all of them. So coming from a competent enemy with a brain, Vlad needs were more than deserved.

Ulquiorra9959/10/2016, 8:40:00 AM1 votes

Vlad is a champion who had massive amounts of counterplay introduced with his rework. Yet he keeps being bombarded with nerfs while keeping those high counterplay values.

His Q requires two casts to actually be useful and then it tells your enemy exactly when will it be up, and gives you an extremely short window with almost non-existant MS boost to use it.

His E costs a great amount of HP, is delayed, blocked by minions AND if that wasn't enough slows you when fully charged.

So tell me, what's the point of playing Vlad if they continue nerfing him like this? He's becoming more and more of a high risk low reward champion.