Ranked system, Dragons, Dragon Souls, Junglers, an the toxic state of the game

RavageRose·2/2/2020, 4:25:46 AM·43 votes·14,960 views

Riot... what have you done... The new rank system has upset so many people. look at the forums an you can clearly see you have failed more than ever. you can go 10/10 in placements and you are guaranteed to start 1.5 tiers below what you ended. Your balancing system is a joke too... vision score is all you need for proof of that. When one team has a combined average of 74 to the other having less than 30, that shows a huge skill gap alone. Anyone who understand the basics will tell you vision is Key. Yeah I am not the most skilled. I haven't played in 5 years. I usued to be high gold/low plat, now I am maybe at best high silver. I ended last season S2, an after season got to gold 4. I was happy with that after 5 years away. Now with your system of 1.5 to 2 tiers placement below, I know i wont climb out of bronze. even going 34/2/14 on Garen I couldn't solo carry a 34 min game. literally had 1 kill a min, couldnt win. I had vision score of 64 that game to our supps vision score of 17, an everyone else had less, an I was facing 3 people who placed higher than myself last season, when i was the highest on my team for that game. enoguh about that though...

Dragons... They need to be Nerfed an Dragon soul needs to be removed.... it is by far the worst thing to be added to the game. With jungle EXP being nerfed so hard, even after the slight boost to EXP, an dragons being more valuable now than baron which isnt a worry until 20 minutes, to much focus is drawn to one area of the map. Tank junglers an tanks in general just don't work this meta. With everyone requiring dmg for the dragon soul buff being such a huge part, the meta an game play has become to toxic.

With so much focus on bot lane, if you try to snowball a top you usually surrender dragons. If bot lane falls behind, it's pretty much game over from there, because Drags will go uncontested. When dragon soul becomes available, you pretty much have to suicide run to it to prevent the ahead team from getting it to end the game right there. usually leading to 2 or 3 deaths, if not an ACE. which usually ends up as match set anyhow. I used to love jungling, but now with you being behind your team by 4 levels at 20 mins, or having to tax to get EXP an people getting mad no matter what you do. It's my least favorite position.

Seriously, Help top, lose Drag control. Ignore top when they need help, you're 4 vs 5. Focus on objectives over lane, everyone usually falls behind for late game objectives that are game defining. Try to keep up, an cost your team or get them mad. it's lose lose. even if your team is winning from what ive seen. you are basically forced into a one man must carry or lose all mind set as a jungler. An to many games end up with "I need help" "we need help" an you have to make a choice that will make someone unhappy an toxicity start. you can mute all but it wont stop them from arguing with one another.

I left for 5 years due to the toxicity of the game in general. I come back an the game is far worse than it has ever been and it's not simply just the players. It's the FORCED META Riot is now putting the players into. They dont want constant farming, so they put the value of gold into kills bounties an one type of minion, an force junglers to pick heavy gankers. They dont want prolonged fights, so they over buff damage items an nerf tank items, forcing tanks to sit on the sidelines. Riot you are forcing your game into the most toxic state it's ever been. An I have been playing since before Wu Kong an Leona were released. yes I am not the most skilled, but I have a better understanding on the evolution of your game than most people who have been here can say.

my point is... you put to much into one thing here. Dragon soul is to important for players to ignore that it punishes specific roles. Roles you have nerfed into the ground, an roles you forced into the meta. The old dragon from way back in Season 4 was fine... idk why you ever changed it to the way it is now. the game was at a less stressful pace and you had actual counter play against things and comps or champs based on a players knowledge. you used to be able to change up itemization completely out of the norm an make things work. Now you can barely change up from a specific build without falling behind. this game isn't about skill an adaptability anymore... It's about who can get what the fastest or safest. The narrow amount of champs picked or banned an the number one items used for each type of champion should be plenty proof of that.

Anyhow this has gone on far longer than I have intended. I simply miss the game I used to love...

TL;DR- I quit LoL for 5 years due to the ever growing toxicity with the players. Now I returned to find that Riot is causing the toxicity by forcing meta's an negative attention on HOW the game MUST be played, instead of on the skills of the players.

34 Comments

FSRER2/2/2020, 8:16:10 AM22 votes

What did the players want? Slower games, less burst What did Riot do? Buff dragons so much giving a giant advantage to the team that has more burst early on What was Riot's response to the issue they created? Asking the players on Twitter what they would like to see in order to have better Ranked matches....

They got to be kidding us...right? They can't seriously be this incompetent....right?

HazeVictory2/2/2020, 7:37:02 AM12 votes

You bring up a very good point and I've had legit toxic games due to how frustrating the meta right now is. Add to that the fact that Riot isn't bothered about making jungle less influential and instead keep gutting the role's exp inside as a bandaid fix which obviously doesn't work. Games are now more frustrating than ever and every game is the same shit all over again.

I'll go so far as to admit I find myself being toxic these days and I legit ran my last game down to make it end faster because Iwas playing against a Nasus top and got camped by my opponent jungler throughout. When asked my own jungler to help his reply was that "I was losing the lane because I was bad and that Nasus outplayed me". I had enough when the opponent jungler let loose the herald in my lane while my jungler refused to help and ran that mofo down.

Most games I've played this season havebeen no better. Players just don't have the individual agency they used to have and having to forcefully rely on my teammates is an experience I don't wanna live.

Beacon Academy2/2/2020, 10:58:26 AM11 votes

Its almost as if there was more freedom for junglers when dragons only gave out gold and rift herald didn't exist.

Its not complicated Riot.

When people are forced to do something, they tend not to like it.

Omniphonic2/2/2020, 4:03:03 PM7 votes

Yesterday I was forced out of my role and autofilled support in a ranked game so that a person with a 13% win ratio who locked in ashe top could auto lose the game for me. It's a great system, really. No complaints.

Profirix2/2/2020, 2:24:10 PM7 votes

I've actually taken a step back from League for the most part. I don't touch ranked and I generally just don't even open the client anymore. Ranked is way too stressful. It is far harder to climb now than it was last season and games just drain my energy. I don't want to play a game where I feel like I'm struggling at every single point. Even when I win I feel like I put too much energy in and I just don't want to press that 'play' button again.

That is a fundamentally broken game design. If I don't want to press that 'play' button again after one game, you have done something seriously wrong.

Thilmer2/2/2020, 2:53:00 PM5 votes

Ranked resets have always being and stupid thing with no justiffication, clearly incoherent in any ranked system.

Garson2112/2/2020, 9:44:25 AM5 votes

Tbh ranks have never been as toxic as now,i think last 30 games there has always been at least one toxic person in my team or opponents its just sad. But this is not a surprise to me because the game generates it by itself forcing people to play this DMG META or STOMP META

Xhaiden2/2/2020, 11:06:40 AM5 votes

RANK SYSTEM?!??!???!?!?!???

What is this BS:

https://i.imgur.com/gIW0mg9.png[] https://i.imgur.com/6TZIdYQ.png[]

[sg-ahri-3]

XJ999999999999992/2/2020, 4:40:53 PM5 votes

dragons arent even that strong. the only strong thing is the soul of the dragon. it isnt so strong its gg though.

Lux Yuumi Zoe2/2/2020, 4:47:58 PM5 votes

I feel like you are really just looking back at how the game used to be with rose colored glasses, thinking it was so much better then. I dont really think it's a problem with the game but maybe more with just how you feel about it. If it frustrates you this much, just don't play it. Ive been playing since Season3 and I think the game is in a completely great spot right now- albeit jungle xp needs some buffs but once that gets in line I think the game is amazing right now and riot is doing a realyl good job.

I think you are putting too much importance on dragon right now as well, it's a common misconception. Dragons, as an individual, are really really fucking weak right now. Compare it to last season with the easiest drake to compare it with- Infernal drake in season9 gave 8/16/24% AD&AP.. compare that to an infernal dragon this season and each one gives 4%. Thats right ONLY 4 PERCENT. So with two infernals you get 8% which was equal to one infernal last season... and it's the same all around. Of course the soul is powerful, but you don't have to hard focus drags all game every game to win. If you got a good lookign gank top, but dragon is up... just fuck it, let them have it and snowball your top. Giving them 1-2 drakes isn't a big deal at all, let your team scale before you contest them. Of course, the soul is a good win con so as a jungle you should still look to take drags when its a good oppurtinity, specially in low elo it's easy to buy a pink plop it in the pit- no wards: u can take it.

As for league being toxic... Idk league of course has toxicity but I really don't find it all that bad. Of course it can always be better and toxicity is never good, but compared to other online multiplayer competitive games league is way better. I really dont know if people who complain about league just don't play other online competitive games where u have to deal with random teammates, but it's always toxic and I think riot does a good job at mitigating it the best they can

Also your point on itemization makes me really think youre looking back with rose tinted glasses. I do agree that itemization in league is stale... but its literally always been this way. League always pretty much just has the standard build and dont bother building other items.. I dont find this to be different

Also the game is largely still decided by skill, if you are good enough it should be very easy to climb because of how the lp gains work after reset

Bijeesny2/2/2020, 2:09:25 PM4 votes

The new rank system has upset so many people. look at the forums an you can clearly see you have failed more than ever. you can go 10/10 in placements and you are guaranteed to start 1.5 tiers below what you ended.

Thats what soft reset is.... Besides, positional ranks made people climb way higher than they should, so this should more or less bring them in line. Not to mention that a lot of people have reached higher elos while their skill isnt in line with it in general. All of this should keep them lower until they aquire a game knowledge/ skill in order to climb higher.

I mean shit, I've seen people in gold who dont know what last hitting is....like srsly? How the fuck people like these even reached gold?

Mordechaiser2/2/2020, 1:16:49 PM4 votes

Idk what you guys are complaining about. Yes i was placed in silver but i easily got back to gold. U know why? Cause thats the rank im supposed to be.

RavageRose2/2/2020, 11:06:44 PM3 votes

im honestly shocked by all the support an people who agree with what i had to say. I understand the experience isn't the same for everyone but with such an over whelming amount of people who feel the same, plenty from higher ranked players as well. I think it speaks volumes of where the state of the game is at the moment. As i stated a few times, I know i am not the most skilled. Yes I may be reminiscing back to the days of old, but what really is wrong with that? Making things more complex is not always for the best. sometimes simplicity is better. I have been here since Season 1. I have seen almost all phases this game has gone through. an Season 3 to Season 5 (S5 i didnt even play but watched) I find was fine besides some items that have been removed.

The fact is, Riot now has a tendency of overloading things. Be it champs, items or objectives. to much of a good thing can be bad, an in this chase it is. It's forcing a meta an play style that players MUST follow if they want to be successful. That eliminates most skills an skill based plays and puts it heavily on objectives in the game over out playing your opponents.

As plenty of other have pointed out, there is no freedom anymore. Everything is set in what you should do. that also takes away skill base from players. having to do or lose is a poor state to have in any game. adaptability isn't an option now.

RyzeRework2/3/2020, 8:32:19 AM1 votes

Idk why everyone complaining. Theres more viable picks then 5 years ago lol!. Nearly every champion is between a 48-52 percent winrate

FazerPowerZ2/3/2020, 11:44:01 PM1 votes

I wish I could relive the summoners rift matches I played back in 2016 when league was good still. Ahhh man... and I remember when the client was stable and games were really fun to play in. Now it's such a cluster fuck of a mess it's hard to pin point where everything started to go down hill. I think when runes reforged hit the game went down hill like really fucking fast. It sucks but what can we do? "We" as the players are in the "minority" when it comes to riots decisions to fix the game or not. We could go on and on at how this game needs to be fixed but unless they do something about it we are totally fucked as a player-base.

Kendren12/3/2020, 3:56:35 AM1 votes

This is soooo long with most paragraphs just being repeats of previous points with slightly different wording.

Also i think what u mean by forced meta, is the games just unbalanced.