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Pyke deserves nerfs, let me explain why! (numbers included)

Audit Manager·8/5/2019, 6:26:58 PM·22 votes·9,452 views

Lets start with external aspects. As per op.gg, he currently has highest ban rate of all champs (62.48%). Maybe because he is one of the hardest snowballing champion in game. Pick rate is 7th highest at 18.12%. Win rate is at 51.15 %, and if you look at pickrate/winrate ratio this is quite high second only to Tresh, what I mean is pick rate going up is sign of champion being picked regulary by non pyke mains, specially since 9.14 R gold buffs. Ezreal and other champs (Kaisa, Lee, etc ) have higher pick rates than Pyke but not as much win rate.

Now lets have look at his kit,

Passive - This ensure you can't poke him out. This is actually helpful in any lane you chose to go. Poke is a way to counter melee assassins. Zed, Fizz, Kata, Akali, Talon etc, but none of them have as much sustain as Pyke. Yes, Talon has hp gain if you kill minions with Q and akali also has sustain but that requires them to enter combat, unlike Pyke who can regen just by going out of sight.

Q - This is lowest cool down hook of any other hook in game, max 12 sec at rank 1. Unlike other hooks, this hook has melee interaction. Other hooks are easy to miss in absolute melee range, but this isn't problem for Pyke as he can just Q stab them.

W - has good synergy with passive. Gives good mobility early, and later on with couple of points in W and lethality with mobis no one can out run him or catch him. Camo helps to roam without detection, plus W speed allows Pyke to get close to some one fast and proc duskblade passive plus melee Q stab for nice slow. Easy kills while roaming. If his E still damage monsters, he would be top tier jungler.

E - easy escapes. AOE stun. Good Pykes will always have either E or W up. Catch them off position ? nope. think again! Escaping ? lol he just stunned you! and his Q is back up again :(

R - Double gold for killing with it or getting assist with it. ??? This should be reverted. No one asked for this. Not even Pyke mains. Free additional recasts for successful executions, at no cost whatsoever and the recast time limit is 20 secs which RESETS on each successful usage gives nice big cheques of gold, which overcompliments his lethality kit in terms of cost.

In conclusion, he is very slippery with lots of CC and insane snowball potential. I suggest that we should get an indicator that tells us whether below threshold or not.

15 Comments

Busty Demon8/6/2019, 7:24:38 AM3 votes

The only thing needs to be nerfed is his R buff that was added. Unnecessary at all to get 600 gold on a solo kill. Getting double the cut isn't healthy at all.

ƒrostγ8/6/2019, 7:46:28 PM2 votes

There is no explanation needed, everyone with basic game knowledge knows Pyke is way too busted right now.

Smyrage8/5/2019, 10:50:15 PM2 votes

I'll be honest: ever since I permaban him, I started climbing again in ranked.

JuiceBoxP8/5/2019, 6:47:04 PM1 votes

His only problem is the absurd amount of gold he gets from his ult. Nothing else is wrong with him. He legitimately has plenty of counters and dies to anything at late game because he is squishy as fuck

Faln8/6/2019, 1:42:08 PM1 votes

Stop with these dumb discussions.

Q - Slows down champion while casting hooks, also locks the animation until the Q is casted + the slow therefore leaving a window to get hit by skillshots/cc. This automatically makes this hook champ worse than Thresh, Blitz, Naut. If you are actually concerned about getting hook by pyke, you clearly cant play against the other three hookers.

W - Good for roam, cool, just like talons E complain about that too. Has Camo, cool, turn your sounds louder, you can cleary hear his coming from miles away, plus the indicator around your champ if you are deaf.

E - A DASH WOWOOWWOW, 50% of the champs have a dash, he dashes you dash too, cool you dodge one of his core abilities.

R - Yeah this double gold shit is dumb, revert his Q E and R

In conclusion, Q stab is single target, inorder for him to Q stab into E, you must be in melee range. So that Q stab is completely useless if you can space yourself. His Q is the worst hook in the game, stop playing if you cant dodge it. Pykes waveclear has been completely removed, meaning that Riots nerfs on his Q and E made him resort to constant fighting.

SiG DxD8/6/2019, 6:45:59 PM1 votes

they will nerf him probably after his legendary skins gives the money

Modl Ryden l8/7/2019, 8:38:09 AM1 votes

One thing I realized playing Pyke in ARAM, he has insanely high innate armor scaling. In bottom lane in SR that's huge since it mitigates the possibility of dying to basic attack from the average marksmen. Combined with his grey health mechanic, Pyke is a champion that very difficult to kill if it means getting shut down gold claiming Pyke's bounty.

I do think he is really slippery though grey health, cc, and stealth. That's completely fine. Personally, I never understood why Pyke needs to have the 2nd highest base armor at level 1 and 1st highest base armor at level 18.

Polaris I8/5/2019, 6:30:03 PM1 votes

First problem, you pulled from op.gg which is only Korea plat+. I think the best to use is u.gg it champion.gg but he is really strong right now

Zlera8/5/2019, 6:34:16 PM1 votes

"includes numbers" 12 SeCOnD CoOlDoWn The W, while yes it gives him amazing speed and escape, it tells you when hes around and when he has used it. It plays a sound queue as well as has little sharks swim around your feet. The R; I agree, its pretty stupid but its easy to avoid and when he DOES ult you, he blinks to the location, so its quite easy to CC him, even If you have to risk an ally; I think his ult shouldn't go through shields but that's just me. I really think if anything, pyke needs more of a buff than a nerf, if he gets killed in lane, hes out of the game. He only does well while snowballing

Divin1ty8/5/2019, 6:29:16 PM1 votes

In conclusion, he is very slippery with lots of CC and insane snowball potential. I suggest that we should get an indicator that tells us whether below threshold or not.

You get one, the music changes from this slow creepy noise, to shrieking thingys.

AutolycusDragons8/6/2019, 7:53:34 PM1 votes

Its just the ult, the gold is insane, but the damage he gets on an aoe execute with resets is waaaaay over the top. It completely removes your entire teams ability to make plays at low health. To beat a good Pyke you have to win all engagements with your health bars close to full. His ult drastically removes your entire teams ability to make low health plays. Its not just an aoe execute its a blink. Its fun as hell to play him, but Pyke is rocking the single most overloaded ability in the game. There is definitely counter play to pyke, but his ult needs to be taken down a notch or two.

CrazyMonkeyCZ8/5/2019, 6:50:32 PM

Eventhough I like to always play devils advocate, I can't here. Even as midlaner(there are no strong midlaners up to masters, no reason to ban any), I ban Pyke or Yuumi, 2 supps that you can't stop when snowball is going down the hill.

He is squishy, he is predictable, he has skillshots, yet one mistake in his current state can cost you your game...