"Cinderhulk meta was perfect"

Khoul·2/17/2016, 6:22:31 PM·122 votes·6,245 views

Lol na boards back then

"Please nerf Sejuani" "Please Nerf Gragas" "Shyvana op omfg" "Jinx and vayne are overpowered, take no skill." "Assassins are trash tier"

I don't think it was perfect. Infact, there wasn't a perfect meta.

The reason why most people "like" the cinderhulk meta is because they can make so many mistakes since games last for 50 minutes.

124 Comments

charcharmunro2/17/2016, 7:15:56 PM111 votes

Let's be honest, if there had to be one class that was garbage-tier at any point, I think the community would prefer it to be Assassins.

Fat Bastard GOD2/17/2016, 6:30:14 PM47 votes

Cinderhulk Meta = "You won't be moving this time!"

Season 6 Meta = "You won't be living this time!"

SpongebobIsLife2/17/2016, 7:53:28 PM29 votes

It wasn't perfectly balanced by any means, its just, and I've been playing since season three, it was the most balanced season with the least amount of outliers, by outliers I mean overpowered and underpowered champs.

WarlockLaw2/17/2016, 6:47:05 PM28 votes

Sure you could make mistakes early, but teamfights were far more interesting. Barring 5 man Sejuani/Malphite ults teamfights weren't decided quickly and could be swung back and fourth after initiation. Now 5v5 team fighting is minimal and snowballing is easy to start and hard to stop. Imo tank metas will always be the most fun because it's more about mid/late game team fighting than anything else.

WadeWilson13372/17/2016, 7:43:02 PM19 votes

SOMETHING is always going to be op. In cinderhulk meta, you get strong tanks. However, when tanks are the top class, it lets you have diversity. It was the closest you got in league to every class being viable, whereas now having even TWO just TWO APs on your team is a hidderence because of how overpowered item 3156 is. Nobody right now is bitching about any class except assassins, predominately Zed, along with the bullshit tank assassins right now that are Yi and Fiora. Assassins are unhealthy for the game and provide very very little counterplay due to how potent burst is in a solo que. I actually dont play mid anymore because all of the champions i like in that role are immobile mages, and they are just going to pick Zed into me and i basically lose for trying to play what i enjoy, granted i beat the average or bad Zeds simply because of the sheer amount of practice ive had against them in the last couple weeks. It wasnt perfect, but it had more diversity than any other time in LOL.

Oerba No Naja2/17/2016, 7:37:34 PM19 votes

i liked the diversity

ValyrianBlade2/17/2016, 10:53:22 PM12 votes

Eh, my attitude during the right patches of the cinderhulk meta was definitely: Ban gragas and sejuani. Shyv was strong but fine. Jinx was strong, but still balanced. Vayne wasn't even strong until later.

Assassins weren't trash tier, they just actually had risk to go alongside their reward. Assassins have been overly spoonfed their high reward for no risk playstyle that their win rates were trashed when they actually had to play with skill...

I loved the cinderhulk meta. It wasn't perfect, but it was as close as League is ever going to get to perfect. 2-4 champions being a bit too strong is more than manageable.

Athenes Lulu2/17/2016, 7:13:02 PM11 votes

It was nowhere close to perfect, but compared to other metas/patches, it is the closest thing to being perfect.

Tactics and not being able to kill shit instantly isn't really everyone's cup of tea, either, so perfection is merely opinion.

But is it the opinion of many people? Definitely.

SwiftKitten882/17/2016, 7:57:36 PM11 votes

the only meta i really liked was the season 3 meta.. where we actaully had mages likeSyndra , Xerath ,Veigar or TwistedFate Ryze Ahri Orianna in the mid lane.. even parts of season 4 whenNidalee is a good mid laner. but now its just all AD assasins with maybe a little bit ofLux Malzahar and left in the mid lane as mages and thats about it

Sir Yamazuki2/17/2016, 6:58:37 PM10 votes

{quoted} The reason why most people "like" the cinderhulk meta is because they can make so many mistakes since games last for 50 minutes.

Tanks like Sej punishes the mistakes of the entire team rather than just 1 single person. Soloq had people grouping often so landing 3~5 man ults wasn't exactly uncommon which usually resulted in her team winning. Same goes for Malphite, Amu, etc. Some people prefer tanks over assassins or bruisers because a lot of them are low damage threats that even if they kill you 1v1 it was over a very long period, and them being fed just means they die slower rather than instantly killing you, or being unkillable with high HP but 2 shotting you due to being a bruiser.

Live2LetDie2/17/2016, 6:25:15 PM9 votes

I loved the tank meta becuase it forced outplay by squish peeps. You don't want health, armor, etc.. Cool you better be a god at dodging this shit then.

HandheldBrandon2/17/2016, 7:33:52 PM9 votes

Gragas wasn't even that bad it was primarily only sejuani that was a real issue.

The whole reason i loved the Cinderhulk Meta was because most if not almost all champions (Poor Guy Yorick doesn't fit anywhere) had a place and could be successfully utilized. Assassins had to actually pick their targets carefully and strike at the right time and pure tanks and bruisers had their distinct strengths and disadvantages while still being wholly different. Vayne was in her zone and fights lasted longer and could literally be swayed either way and the fight wasn't over until most of the enemy team was either dead or had retreated.

Then they had to bring about the awful assassin meta where Zed pretty much single handedly ruined the game for most people and he could kill tanks and bruisers like they were squishy adc's and he completely forced every other mid laner to rush Zhonya's regardless of who they were playing otherwise he would dominate.

Every meta we have had after the Cinderhulk Meta was just plain not fun and it took a long time for assassins to fully be toned down and put in a spot where they weren't completely dominant. During the Cinderhulk Meta they weren't a huge problem because if they went in at the wrong time on the wrong target they were dead and thats how it should be.

GhastlyGhoulMan2/17/2016, 10:44:16 PM8 votes

The abuse of the cinderhulk item by top laners was ridiculous, and Sejuani and some other tanks were insanely powerful... but I'd still take that meta over any other so far. The variety of junglers that were made viable in that meta was amazing. It was refreshing to see more Amumu and Rammus and Sejuani junglers than Lee Sins and Elises for once in my life.

WalkingInACircle2/17/2016, 7:05:23 PM6 votes

Oh, the strawmans.

We, or at least I, am referring to pre-sated. Really right around the time runeglaive was a thing and the ap item rework was going through. Not right when cinderhulk came out.

And people liked it because everything was viable. That's what balance is.

Ravenstiker2/18/2016, 12:13:04 AM5 votes

At least during Cinderhulk Meta, your turrets weren't dead at 6 Minutes

DrNova2/17/2016, 7:32:56 PM5 votes

The beginning was rough as every era is, but it got balanced out and ended up pretty balanced.

arcinex2/18/2016, 12:47:13 AM4 votes

Please cite your claims before making assumptions. I don't recall any front page 100+ upvotes on the boards with any of that context during the cinderhulk meta.

In fact I actually remember people complaining about Lee Sin, but hey what's new?

Weathered2/17/2016, 6:49:13 PM4 votes

The fat man's back baby!

Gragas

Saianna2/17/2016, 7:41:35 PM3 votes

Dude..

I prefer facing few slightly too strong tanks than ADC meta, where everything that uses AD is overbearing.

Nekusen2/17/2016, 6:30:34 PM3 votes

back then you were a tank or you were out

agbudar2/18/2016, 3:00:33 AM2 votes

it was the assasins that complained that tanks were too stronk.

stealthfox942/18/2016, 5:14:18 PM2 votes

Yeah I never got this boards obsession with the cinderhulk meta, since during that time it was infinetely better than every other jungle item. I will admit though that the most ballanced time I can remember in league was that period after the Cinderhulk nerfs but before the juggernaut reworks.