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Truly too much true damage in this game

rtbf36088737·10/23/2018, 12:38:51 PM·11 votes·8,946 views

BEFORE YOU READ ANY FURTHER PLEASE NOTE; I DO NOT THINK THAT VAYNE IS OVERPOWERED

So here I am, playing Alistar support vs Vayne adc (Jax top/ Udyr jg LOTS of AA focused champs)... I build to lower her attack speed and build up some armor... and wowee!

Still died in about 6 auto attacks with my ulti going.. took 1/4 my total dmg as true dmg over the course of the game.

Honest question here; what am I supposed to do as a tank to mitigate the amount of true damage in this game right now? It feels straight up awful that nothing I do can stop someone using conqueror or having some native true damage built into their kits who gets a slight lead.

It's true what they say there is truly too much true damage in this game, and the true solution is less true damage.

EDIT: I had built as well.. and I am looking for what items i could have built to be more tanky tanky

EDIT 2: I didn't realize her passive dealt %hp true dmg as well.. so even if I build HP it wont lower her true damage.. looking like my options for counter play are dwindling pretty quickly if i cant build armor, hp, or attack speed debuffs to keep her from gibbing me in 4.5 seconds.

EDIT 3: I don't want this to devolve into a jircle cerk over vayne/yi/trynd/other true dmg champs specifically.. i understand they all have "counterplay" (sigh)... I'm talking about the sheer prevalence of true dmg in this game and how as a tank you have literally no way to mitigate that dmg and it feels awful to build full tank and die nearly instantly to a champ with true dmg.

53 Comments

Mordepool10/23/2018, 5:07:40 PM5 votes

When they added conqueror werent they going to Compensation buff Randuins?

WTF happened to that.

e46 Fanatic10/23/2018, 1:02:05 PM3 votes

Building health would be the most sensible way to counter true damage I think... Tanks get pretty tanky using the resolve path

wolvius10/23/2018, 7:53:58 PM2 votes

Honestly whenever I see vayne I just go damage no matter what champ I have, well tiamat into one or maybe two Hp/defense items then just full damage. Defenses don't matter when she dealing 12% max hp every two attacks, well my advice probably isn't the best i main ~~RGM's and~~ ARAM.

Pika Fox10/23/2018, 3:06:49 PM2 votes

CC her and kill her. Shes SUPPOSED to melt you. Its her job. FH is great and all, but if you let her just continue to auto you for free, its not gunna save you.

If she killed you in 6 autos, most of the damage was still phys, so HP still helps.

DragonShea10/24/2018, 1:20:16 AM1 votes

It's true that True Damage is excessive but it's also normal damage that is high, combine those two and you ain't gonna be tanking for long. Armor items don't have as much value anymore due to Physical damage being so high. Nerf that and Armor is gonna be good again.

Stacona10/24/2018, 4:52:05 AM1 votes

There really is not that much true damage, there is just too much damage in the game, true damage is the EASIEST stat to balance because it has the most control over its balance - you know EXACTLY how much damage it does at any given point and thus super easy to tune and balance.

cheex91910/23/2018, 2:25:45 PM1 votes

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So here I am, playing Alistar support vs Vayne adc (Jax top/ Udyr jg LOTS of AA focused champs)... I build to lower her attack speed and build up some armor... and wowee!

Still died in about 6 auto attacks with my ulti going.. took 1/4 my total dmg as true dmg over the course of the game.

Honest question here; what am I supposed to do as a tank to mitigate the amount of true damage in this game right now? It feels straight up awful that nothing I do can stop someone using conqueror or having some native true damage built into their kits who gets a slight lead.

It's true what they say there is truly too much true damage in this game, and the true solution is less true damage.

EDIT: I had built as well.. and I am looking for what items i could have built to be more tanky tanky

EDIT 2: I didn't realize her passive dealt %hp true dmg as well.. so even if I build HP it wont lower her true damage.. looking like my options for counter play are dwindling pretty quickly if i cant build armor, hp, or attack speed debuffs to keep her from gibbing me in 4.5 seconds.

that my friend, is why you play assassin and insta delete her, for example Rengar with storm razor or Teemo could easily solo her when not near a wall. honestly, support supports arent working too well, except for nami, morg, and maybe soraka, which is why "troll picks" are essential, like brand support, ziggs support, yasuo support(works, because of windwall and knock ups, just have to time your Q stacks), and even teemo support works sometimes. either that or go full cc, like blitz or thresh, cause everyone hates it when your squishy and one of those champs lands their hook on you.

Daddy Ants10/23/2018, 5:20:44 PM1 votes

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EDIT 2: I didn't realize her passive dealt %hp true dmg as well.. so even if I build HP it wont lower her true damage.. looking like my options for counter play are dwindling pretty quickly if i cant build armor, hp, or attack speed debuffs to keep her from gibbing me in 4.5 seconds.

That's the whole point of TRUE damage.

You can't "lower" or reduce it.

You're lucky you were playing vs a Silver Vayne.

A good Vayne would never let you touch them as Alistar.

They'd be buffering Condemn and stopping your WQ combo every time.

Baby Ghoul10/23/2018, 11:12:18 PM1 votes

There is a lot of true damage in this game, but I have a hard time taking that statement seriously from people who play tanks because it implies that they believe they should just last forever and nothing should counter them.

DPS champions are supposed to melt tanks late game. Tanks are only supposed to absorb a lot of AP damage.

Vayne's whole thing is she's meant to be a tank buster, so she's your counter. You can and should build against her, but if she's doing well then you need to lock her down an have an assassin delete her.

Expecting to go toe to toe with a Vayne late game as Alistar isn't very realistic. It would be better to build AP in that situation because you're not going to win the fight by simply outsustaining her damage like you would with most other match ups.