Unpopular Opinion: The Average Riven Player is Actually the Better Player

Yääto·6/24/2019, 7:27:32 AM·2 votes·1,452 views

Hear me out. I keep seeing people go, "Oh, Riven's OP", "Oh, Time investment in a champ should not be rewarding" "Oh, Riven has too many tools to be so rewarding". Here's what I'm hearing, "Investing time into really learning a champ should provide marginal returns". This is actually garbage. The reason why Riven seems so "OP" is because the average top laner's just suck overall on their champ.

Riven has a ton of counter matchups, however not a ton of people put in the amount of effort the average Riven player does. I'm saying this because I play Riven almost exclusively, however, I'm not a Riven one trick. I'm a Riven main that can play other champs, but let me tell you... I know matchups like the back of my hand when I play Riven.

I know the ins and outs of my champs, builds that's better overall, what to build, when to build it etc, etc. The same can't be said to every other player out there that doesn't exclusively play a champ. Almost every single champ out there, who has a dedicated fan base, can rock a 55%+ winrate if you stick the time and effort into the champ. There's a handful of champs that'll probably never work out like that, however telling people they should not have success after sinking thousands of hours on a champ is horse shit.

Why should I not be rewarded for taking all my bloody time and dumping it in a champ? Most people easily get a 50%+ winrate on simpler champs after like 20 games. So after 2k games of Riven, I, all of a sudden, should not be a validated player for my performance on the champ? Because of what reason?

Don't really wanna make a long thread about Riven, but to get into details of how to actually counter a Riven in lane:

Learn spacing. It's literally like playing a fighting game when vs Riven. Learn how to space pre-6 and she'll most likely never get a lead. People make a ton more mistakes than they think they do when playing vs someone whose designed to punish even the smallest mistakes. Just as easy as it is for Riven to bait people into making mistakes, it's the same concept.

Anything outside of lane phase is all macro based and a player climbing from macro + skill expression is 100% completely fine. There's numerous ways you can nerf Riven, but higher CDs is not one of them. Her damage/CDs, even though people don't want to admit it, is actually on par with just about everyone else.

11 Comments

Thingamajig6/24/2019, 7:45:40 AM2 votes

actual facts

every riven otp has negative win rates on their top 4-5 except riven https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=adrian+riven https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=+Jim+J+Poggers

CrazyMonkeyCZ6/24/2019, 7:55:35 AM2 votes

Learn spacing.

Spacing? It's not like she's going to scale into midgame like god... oh, she will mb.

Every counterplay to Riven comes down to player playing her, she used her shield badly? Go in. Used Q to push? Go in. etc.

You are just making it up, Riven's only counter play is player himself, in my opinion she isn't alone in that, many onetricks will probably feel the same way(they might be quiet about it), I'm Rumble mid otp and I can say that champ doesn't have counterplay(expect adaptive...) as well, either jump on him and kill him asap or don't get near him, that isn't counterplay.

Players should be rewarded for learning their champs, tho I'm not Riven expert, I think big problem with her are her animation cancelings. Idk how many mechanincs you learnt by playing 2k games on her, but canceling will imo give you the biggest advantage over any otp. Then we have all the other knowledge, builds, matchups etc. which is important, but when it comes to theory, 2k games on any champ is probably less valuably than 2k on Riven, which in her current state(+50% winrate for first timers) isn't fair imo. She isn't in state where you really need to put hundreds of hours to succeed.

Just get rid of canceling and we gucci.

Darkdemon6536/24/2019, 12:53:35 PM1 votes

{quoted} however telling people they should not have success after sinking thousands of hours on a champ is horse shit.

Why should I not be rewarded for taking all my bloody time and dumping it in a champ? Most people easily get a 50%+ winrate on simpler champs after like 20 games. So after 2k games of Riven, I, all of a sudden, should not be a validated player for my performance on the champ? Because of what reason?

Who is saying you shouldn't rewarded? Of course you should be rewarded, but you should be rewarded as much as anyone who puts in the same amount of effort into the game. If we assume Riven is OP (which I will agree with for the first time in my LoL career, though I think the real problem with Riven is Conqueror being completely broken), the problem is you are being rewarded more than you should be.

BigBellBrute6/24/2019, 8:11:38 PM1 votes

What do you call a toxic Riven player?

A Riven Player.