Read this. It is about Pyke. Here are the facts.

webstar1995·7/5/2018, 6:35:51 PM·3 votes·7,021 views
Pyke builds - League of Legends

I have seen a lot of posts about Pyke. Mostly negative. A lot of people say he is a bad champ because you cannot get tanky to survive fights, he does not do enough damage as an assassin, and he does not have enough ways to escape sticky situations. I will use statistics from the client in this post so please do not even try to argue about the stats.

First off, Pyke can get decently tanky. GA gives 40 armor and the passive gives you a second life. This should always be your first item on Pyke according to OP.GG and lolifgraphs it is the best item to rush with almost 60% winrate. It gives you armor for fighting adc/jugs which are usually bot and 45 extra AD. Randuin's is a descent item on Pyke depending on the enemy team as well. It gives 60 armor and hp (which turns to AD), and an active slow, which can help you land Pyke's E. The crit damage nerf passive can me good depending on the enemy team. If they do not have crit, try out Deadman's Plate. It also gives 60 armor and AD to Pyke with move speed and a slow on Pyke's basic with up to 100 extra magic damage on his basic. Adaptive Helm and Spirit Visage both give Pyke 55 MR and 10% CDR. Adaptive gives less AD because of less HP on the item, but is makes Pyke more tanky because of its passive than Spirit Visage does. I personally think Adaptive Helm is better than Visage on Pyke. Also MAW is wonderful on Pyke. Playing Pyke, it has saved me countless times. The 50 MR and crazy good shield that comes with it is clutch. I myslef have not tried Sterak's on Pyke yet because i think the armor and MR from the items already listed are better. Sterak's gives 450 hp which transfers straight to AD. Sterak's uses "bonus AD" and gives tenacity AND a shield, so it might be great on Pyke. I just do not see it being better than other options.

Here is his damage chart. I am on lunch break at work so what else to do right?

If you are level 11 on your 2nd item running electrocute (assuming you have max stacked eyeballs by then) : item 3026 item 3117 item 3401 You will do 1,482-1536 damage with a Q-E-basic-R combo, depending on how long you hold Q, before resistances to any enemy. Note that this damage is also before any bonuses from allies, ignite, or bonus lethality from 'sudden impact' or any other rune besides the damages from eyeballs and electrocute. Most champs have between 50-60 armor unless they are tanks at level 11, so this can and will one shot as long as Pyke is not behind. If ahead it will definitely one shot.

If you are full build without consumables and at level 18, and out of combat (so items are ready to proc): item 3026 item 3117 item 3401 item 3147 item 3095 item 3156 (this build might not be the 'best possible build'. I know. I am using it as an example.) You will do 3,153-3227 damage with a Q-E-basic-R combo with Dusk and StormR procs, depending on how long you hold Q, before resistances to any enemy. Note that this damage is also before any bonuses from allies, ignite, or bonus lethality from 'sudden impact' or any other rune besides the damages from eyeballs and electrocute. Most champs have between 75-100 armor unless they are tanks at level 18, so this can and will one shot. Also note that I did not include the bonus damage from MAW passive because this fight starts out of combat, so Pyke would not have that particular buff yet.

That being shown, how is Pyke not an assassin?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Some say he does not have enough ways to escape sticky situations. His E is up every seconds not including the 20-40% cdr you will get form Runes/Items with a normal Pyke build. His W is a descent escape tool as well because you go camouflage and gain massive move speed. Guardian Angel can save you too. For example, when you get resurrected, you can E immediately and stun anyone that follows. Then W to gain distance between you and the enemy.

A good player can learn how to maneuver with Pyke to where they can one shot carries and escape. Pyke is a very well designed, balanced champion. His winrate is starting to climb now that people are learning how to play him correctly. It is almost 50% now. I personally love the champion.

GLHF Peace out.

20 Comments

Blakkr7/5/2018, 6:46:25 PM2 votes

He is not an assassin due to he has a poor laning phase ability that riot keeps nerfing to keep him out of it. He is meant to support by assassinating however is eventually going to keep being changed to where that is not possible. So people saying he isnt an assassin is because he can assassinate but he is incapable without help unless he is fed, which he gets fed by help of others. it is a different playstyle to supporting that people wanted for a while; the best cc is death. Have to learn to accept that is the way pyke is going as he is being further tuned.

Illabethe8/4/2018, 8:23:14 PM2 votes
  1. Tanky builds do nothing vs 28% True damage and every single AD building nothing but Armor Penetration, Lethality, and Armor Reduction. His HP not only caps at 2301 HP, at most points in the game he is drastically behind the current HP of anyone but an adc versus the damage coming at him.

  2. GA doesn't help MUCH when in a position that could kill Pyke in the first place. They will wait for the ress MOST of the time and finish the job. There are exceptions which is why the item has a decent win rate.

  3. The problem with item 3143 is that it doesn't have CDR, which creates significant problems fitting it into the build since Pyke needs to get E and W Cooldowns down to really be viable.

  4. At almost no points in the game will Sterak's even activate on Pyke because of his HP caps. It "Can" activate, but pretty much requires him to die by the time it does.

  5. Your damage charts are horribly wrong. First Scenario: 79.6 Base AD, 12 kit AD, 65 AD from his items. Total: 156.6 AD.

Q (hook): 271.2 E: 172 Basic: 156.6 (pre penetration) Electrocute (not actually the best rune) : 188.5

R Threshold: 511 HP.

So..... assuming a target has 0 Armor, his "kit" only goes about 788.3 towards the goal of getting to an R. In this case, at level 11 (pretty late game) a target would have to have 0 Armor, 1299 HP to actually execute someone....

That's just laughable, since at that point in the game, almost everyone at least has 50-60 Armor, if not FAR more, and usually is 1600-2900 HP.

Second Scenario: You're talking level 18, and 240 bonus AD (lol when arguing from a support standpoint).

348 AD

Q: 426.2 E: 467 Basic: 756.8 Electrocute: 346

R Threshold: 806

2,802.6

And that's pre Armor, includes all secondary procs, Can and will 1 shot with only 348 AD at 18? vs what you admit yourself is about 40-50% damage reduction? Lulz. That drops Pyke's post Lethality damage to about 1500-1600 HP. 1500-1600 killing at 18? What are you smoking?


Your comments AND you account both testify you don't even PLAY Pyke, so how could you have an opinion? In fact you play several champs who outright make the game unliveable for Pyke: Tryndamere (Pyke's #1 Counter), MasterYi (Who isn't unstoppable, but can outrun anything Pyke throws at him or away from him) and Talon (Again not unstoppable, but can 1 shot Pyke and is far more mobile)


Now.... I'm going to get to the meat of what I REALLY want to say:

Pyke.... I'm generally in agreement he's not too far from where he needs to be. He was far better off when he had a 2471 HP cap instead of 2301, because it limited the ability of him being eliminated in what should be solid ganks/cc.

However, his weaknesses, unlike many champs, are blatantly obvious:

  • He is outright countered by certain champs because his damage output without his R cannot really kill in one engagement and if he R's it's 100% wasted. Aatrox Anivia DrMundo Kindred Kayle Tryndamere Zilean all can completely troll his R and make him relatively useless until it's back up except as a harasser.

  • Heals absolutely troll his kit. Specifically Instant Heals like Soraka All she has to do is stand back far away and when you're about to R someone, R them, and she will heal them before your R hits. Cheat Death.

-Common items eliminate his R kit: item 3157 item 3026 Null his reset, and unlike other assassins, he really doesn't have a post R response. He can't just "Wait around" and finish off the kill like Zed or Talon or anyone else can. He has to try to get out, but usually.... his R was supposed to position him with an out, and the R nullification deprives him of that out.

So then he gets killed by his target and their 30-40% HP friends who were also supposed to be reset ulted who now can pick on Pyke whose E is down and W won't get him out.

  • Tanks far surpass his ability to kill.

-Conquerer/item 3031 Champions can 1 hit Pyke, especially Tryndamere , since his Low HP Crit and damage increase puts his crits well over 2300 HP (He can literally kill you mid E while you're trying to go through him to stun him if he has auto attacks auto-seeking) Pyke is brutally bullied in the True damage meta, because he cannot use the one counter to true damage: HP Gain. He also can't get any real shields vs AD, so the situation here is miserable.

BUT...... there is a silver lining.

Pyke absolutely destroys most adc/mage comp teams. No. He doesn't just 1 combo...... his strategy generally makes him fight most of them 2-3 times before they die, outing to heal and then coming back. And unlike CC, Ress, and True damage teams, adcs/mages generally can't blow Pyke up mid fight, with the exception of perhaps Annie with her 1 remaining insta stun status.

So vs those teams, Pyke can just ..... go in, get out, heal, go in, get out, until he makes progress.


I'm going to post a few of my favorite games, and NONE of them were Electrocute or Aftershock.

https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2839370814/243999882?tab=overview

https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2826867714/243999882?tab=overview

(Both vs a Kayn Jungler who my team fed religiously..... who is also one of Pyke's biggest "Counters")

https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2815845372/243999882?tab=overview

(Only one on my team even playing)

https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2815056679/243999882?tab=overview

(24/7/7 Hard Carry)

https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2814471014/243999882?tab=overview

(PERFECT 23/0/7 game - again.... was mostly soloing. Destroyed a Garen and Nocturne to the point of crying - Unofficial Septakill)

https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2813897767/243999882?tab=overview

(1v3'd a Mid push after my entire team fed at 22:00. They were all full HP, and trying to push mid...... just destroyed all 3 -Unofficial Octokill).

He's literally the only champ I can hard carry with atm. I can Semi-Hard on many champs like Ahri Evelynn Morgana Poppy Zyra Ornn

..... But Pyke's the only one that seems to be able to kill everyone, and then kill them AGAIN.... on the right runes.

(P.S. I Don't often Support him. I Jungle him, and generally can get close to 500 AD, sometimes with over 320 Armor)

Weedlayer8/4/2018, 8:29:52 PM2 votes

You actually don't know how to read item winrates if you think people should be rushing GA. GA having a high win rate on pyke isn't unique, it has a high win rate on virtually any champion that can buy it. Should vayne rush GA?

The way you should think about win rates is "Champions who won the game tended to buy these items" rather than "They items tend to make you win the game". This explains the astronomically high win rates of items like Mejai's soulstealer and guardian angel, they're snowball items you buy when you're carrying.

GA is good as a third or fourth item.

Also I'm pretty sure sterek's doesn't work at all on pyke because its shield is 75% of his bonus health, a stat he literally cannot get.

Edit: I don't think he's weak though. He has insanely tanky base stats and a generally fair winrate.

AurelionMaths410/16/2018, 5:36:04 PM1 votes

Hum... Okey so I am a Mastery 7 Pyke. Do u actually know what Pyke is? Is an assasin support Do u know what assasins have? Damage But they are so squishy Now...Actually tanky pyke build doesnt work Also as most people have commented here, GA is only good as a 3rd or 4th item. Actually I dont even buy it often because Its only needed against champions that can one shot you easily, enemy team has 4 AD champions and u had a very bad laning phase... I am a support Main and pyke is just a support that helps with damage... Extrange, right? Actually, he is only a support because if your Q, Engaging potential and His gold sharing. So he is nit broken. He is a super balanced champion and should be used considerately. Also, notice meta champions are often used because most people think its broken, but if u see pyke, he had a 27% WIN RATE WHEN IT CAME OUT. So actually.... He is just an assasin support. I see him with the jungle role too, but not as a top laner or mid, because u lose that gold sharing with your ult... So yeah... Also go ancient coin pls not relic since the healing amount wont be as high as the damage you will take from going to take a minion (Poke from Adc) And u get more gold income with ancient coin and it gives you mana, cdr and ms. Perfect for pyke... So yeah... Thx for reading