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Veigar's United. We can't let the little master of evil die!

Yiffed By Veigar·3/9/2015, 9:17:39 PM·83 votes·5,452 views

Well, I want to talk again about Veigar, It seems like Riot really doesn't care at all since he is one of the most unpopular champions, so Riot doesn't give a damn, the less we use him, the better for Riot, or at least this is how I see it, but he is one of my favorite champions, so I guess I will need find a way to use him for now.

But I'm still waiting for the Le Blanc "compensation" since she was affected for the DFG removal, I don't know, maybe make her Q a skill shot and give the W a 0.75 sec delay! with beautiful warning particles!

Please, don't get me wrong, I really thing she is perfectly ok the way she is now, but so was Veigar, once he used all his combo, he was just helpless and useless without any other CC, since the stun had a really long CD and don't forget his lack of mobility, plus he is squishy as hell.

And a lot of people say Veigar is ok now, but that's not true, they only say that because they don't play that champion, The Q change is ok, even the R nerf is ok, but if you nerf his stun without giving him a real compensation, that is totally wrong and unfair! like a lot of people say, maybe the delay is ok, but give him a reward since you can only attempt to capture your prey inside (because lets face it, no one, is gonna get stunned now, if they are competent at this game) maybe when someone is inside the cage, Veigar deals more damage, or maybe they get slowed while the walls of the box form, or maybe inside the box everyone gets slowed and blinded! And no, I'm not talking abut a blind just like Teemo or Quinn's Q, I was thinking of something like Graves W since Veigar E resembles a black hole, and maybe when they are inside of the box they can't see the borders! so this way maybe they will get stunned... unless they kindly stop moving!

Well, Thats all I got to say folks. Thanks for reading this and remember... Don't let the little master of evil die!

P.D: Yes, I know they are working on him at the PBE server, but the bufs are the equivalent of the Zed nerf (they are ridiculous)

110 Comments

WuWo3/9/2015, 9:39:21 PM25 votes

With the upcoming change to decrease Veigar's stun delay by .25 sec, the only change I really want now is to decrease the delay on his W. If you want to decrease the reliability on his stun, okay fine. At least, then, change the fact that his W is dependent on his E. Make the W land faster per rank.

TlDr: If E is going to be less reliable, W has to be more reliable.

Drakylon3/10/2015, 12:05:02 AM13 votes

Veigar's power curve is just really weird. He's a burst mage, which is supposed to be strongest mid-game when squishies build pure damage, but all of his skills point to a more powerful late-game. However, by then, most will already have gotten defense and HP to survive his burst, meaning he's stuck with the inability to actually burst anyone down. What's a Veigar to do?

Basidiomycota3/9/2015, 9:51:08 PM11 votes

riot hates point and click champions w/ no mobility. not fun to watch so they killed the little guy. i dont think anyone thought he has OP because of his stun but he have to let champs jump around freely so poor veigar got the nurf bat

shark music3/10/2015, 10:02:54 PM9 votes

I'm not a Veigar, but I did buy him and his Superb Villain costume right before they nuked the poor little guy. It WOULD be nice to be able to play him without having to brave a... let's say "snowstorm"... of criticism and unhappiness.

ARC Malafide3/9/2015, 9:45:59 PM9 votes

I don't see why they don't just shrink the circle the size of 1 or 2 characters and put it back how it was. Works for Annie, and it would be a smaller circle, so everyone can stop crying. Easier to land for us, same effect as others have (as passives, no less), and more dead bodies. It can still be used to shut down some of the #LCSBIGPLAYS characters.. oh, right. Nevermind.

Been trying to play him the last couple days, and it is horrible. His ring can't keep him safe, it can't engage. Just a way to dump mana before you get nuked all to hell by someone.

Edit: The ring needs to be altered or replaced. How they have it now is just worthless. I cast the ring with Soraka in the middle of the cast. Wasn't trying to stun her, as that is impossible now. It is just a really poor imitation of J4's ult. But no, she managed to walk out of the entire thing before it even appeared. That is just plain stupid.

I don't like the Q change to be honest. But at least you can still play him with it. W is also worthless at this point. You have a Q and an R with no means of escape, protection, or engage. Guess that's all you need. He was already an incredibly unpopular champ, now he is unplayable also.

For the last week, winrate in Master+ for NA... 28%. With 0 games played in two regions. How the hell do you get played so little that you don't even appear on least popular character lists? Seriously. 0 games in a week. But yeah, removing a .25 delay off his already delayed stun will boost that up. Maybe that will nudge him into being played once in the EU.

Loken Stoneheart3/10/2015, 9:18:57 PM8 votes

Riot has a habit of destroying champions with little to no remorse. I get that balancing isn't easy, but when EVERYONE was screaming bloody murder about how this change was going to destroy him, maybe they should consider NOT doing that. But, naw. It was on the PBE, its too late, its not like the PBE is meant for feedback or anything.

BLU Medic3/10/2015, 11:37:49 AM8 votes

I ran into a Veigar yesterday in ARAM. They had an entire poke team, I ws Sona with 4 pretty immobile tanks, not really using my E. The poor Veigar still couldn't hit us. I actually walked into his stun once because I felt bad.

But yeah, Veigar's not exactly okay. It's bad enough they put a looong delay on his stun, but there's also a shiny particle that screams "LOOK I AM ABOUT TO PLACE MY STUN, MOVE AWAY!" Why? I dunno. Once the stun is down, everyone knows not to walk into the dangerous glowing wall things.

UPfreely3/9/2015, 10:31:22 PM8 votes

the best way to help him live is to main veigar until he gets buffed back to his glory

Flemman3/10/2015, 3:00:21 AM7 votes

With the new change to the wall (dash stop as soon as the champ touch the wall), we can assume ally knockback do the same too.

So, if he really need some buff after the next patch (and is W will probably be the target), why not make the spell produce an "area knock back" (like ziggs W) when cast in Event horizon (ennemy trap will be forced to choose bewteen taking damage and not being displace much or take no damage but being trow in the stun)

CupcakeTrap3/10/2015, 5:58:45 PM7 votes

because lets face it, no one, is gonna get stunned now, if they are competent at this game

I think this is the critical point. It's now a stun that only stuns people if they stand still or (for some reason) decide to run into it. It's become less of a stun and more of a cage. So, Veigar's E now allows Veigar to trap an enemy and force them to fight him 1v1 at close range…which does not usually end very well for tiny little Veigar. This is precisely what used to happen when you missed a stun: the most likely outcome was that the other mage would delete poor Veigar, though sometimes you would blow each other up.

Maybe hitting someone with Q inside your cage should stun them. Maybe W should have reduced cooldown inside the cage. Maybe amp up damage inside the cage (but not for people who run into the walls), making opponents decide between trying to dodge skillshots inside the cage or taking one guaranteed rotation at normal damage ("double or nothing"). I don't know. Something.

Galactopus3/10/2015, 1:11:08 PM7 votes

Riot should just put his stun back the way it was he has plenty of weaknesses. Riot has some list they think they should base their "balance" on without understanding what they're doing. I mean Azir, Kass, and Veig were all nerfed recently and all are at less that 40% win rate now, so they obviously don't know what they're doing with their changes.

Wheatloaf3/9/2015, 9:40:45 PM7 votes

Taking 0.25 seconds off his stun delay, making it stop dashes in their tracks, and speeding up his Q (thereby making it more reliable) all are not nearly as negligible changes as Zed's attack speed nerf was (It really only nerfed his splitpushing, almost his farming, and his dps against tankier targets slightly). Wait until you can play with the changes, and judge again from there. It's entirely possible they won't at all be enough, but it might scale down what you think Veigar needs to live again.

Curling Veigar3/10/2015, 1:08:25 AM7 votes

Its likely that W's delay might be lowered

Rinky Dinky3/10/2015, 4:02:26 AM3 votes

The buffs on pbe are actually amazing.

They just need to adjust his E more, or his w.

Blade100453/9/2015, 10:40:31 PM1 votes

What I never loved about Veigar is that I could punt him with Diana to 0/9/0 in lane. Then with one stun. ult, w I would just disappear. Against a Leblanc (I don't have trouble laning against her at all) you can dodge her chains, cutting out the damage of two q's and possibly an ult. With Veig I never even had that chance. As soon as I saw the box on me, I would go downstairs, grab a beer and wait out my 20 second death timer. Is 0,75 seconds delay harsh? Yes. Is 0,25 second reduction on that delay better? Yes. And I will tell you now, the dash stop makes life hell for many assassins mid. Diana, Ahri, Akali are all gutted by it now. If your in there, your stuck in the middle of a team fight with no escape. I think actually being able to fight a Veigar no matter how hard you stomped him is rather nice now.

As for the q speed up. It does more than you are aware of. Much harder to dodge, and you cannot hide behind your minions now without taking meaningful poke.

Thumpin3/9/2015, 10:56:05 PM1 votes

Riot's not done buffing him. Relax.