Losing faith in Rito's balance

Darth Valer·12/10/2015, 7:31:16 AM·132 votes·6,758 views

I hardly ever criticize Rito for the way they handle the game since most of the time I agree with their philosophy, but recently it seems they're making serious ->predictable<- messes and goofily fixing them up. I mean, how couldn't they foresee the way Warlord's Bloodlust would be exploited by early crit-champs? Or the way Fervor of Battle would give insane laning advantages to certain champs in a weakly interactive pattern? Or how Deathfire Touch would mess things up for certain champs with extreme synergies? (they actually spoke about Brand but didn't do anything preemptively) Or how over the top Graves' damage was that they had to hotfix it, although PBE had made it clear before his release? Not to mention the fact that SS+RapidFire would become the way-to-go for ADCs killing all the variety they wanted to promote with the damage multiplying items. (although this seems less predictable than the aforementioned issues) But most of all, the removal of Last Whisper and the status of Armor Penetration, that they are now trying to patch up with buffs after buffs to champs that relied on it and with the release of new items to effectively replace it. Like, how couldn't they see this in advance?

And I'm only quoting the most obvious ones. I mean, most of them were predictable even by us lowtown scrubs, how couldn't they with 5 years of balancing on their shoulders?

163 Comments

Sythriel Draken12/10/2015, 8:34:22 AM61 votes

item 3124 is one item that NEEDS to be nerfed.

Synx712/10/2015, 1:14:17 PM27 votes

I lost faith in them ever since they canceled the Lee Win rework. "community backlash" It's clearly obvious that the balance is pure favoritism, or to fit LC$ Pay$.

ModKnightsKemplar12/10/2015, 11:36:21 AM23 votes

I actually just read a real interesting bit form Ghostcrawler about balance, and I think it's worth talking about.

The highest win percentages (for champs) hover around 55%, and the lowest around 45%. That's only 10% different. Not too shabby. I think that the game is pretty well balanced as is. Yes, the make some mistakes now and again... But I also wouldn't call preseason a mistake. They saw how things went and hotfixed it. That's how it goes.

I have said it before, and I'll say it again: If you don't like seeing big changes, this time of year is not the time to play league. Go play Fallout 4 or something. Sometimes, Riot needs to do things that they DO know will upset balance. And it does. I don't blame them. Neither should you.

Greymoore12/10/2015, 12:00:30 PM11 votes

after the atrocity that was reworked Skarner on release, i doubt they listen to much PBE feedback in terms of balance. Also it seems they are going for the balancing philosophy "When everything is overpowered, then nothing is".

Niyumi12/10/2015, 7:42:06 AM10 votes

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"... how couldn't they with 5 years of balancing on their shoulders?"

That's the thing. They never really bothered with balance at all, being an F2P company and all. Sure they might pretend to do something, but in the end, they're just goading people into paying money for the latest FOTM craze -- in this case being any and all AD champs that can build crit.

Bard in a Diaper12/10/2015, 2:51:42 PM10 votes

you didnt even talk about the worst offender, buffing thunderlords when its already the most used summoner in high elo. I shit you not every game is 8+ thunderlords now in diamond. what a joke of a balance team. They might play this game but certainly not at a decent level.

Bijorn12/10/2015, 2:07:27 PM7 votes

cough Mordekaiser cough

Bouncemaster Zac12/10/2015, 7:44:59 AM6 votes

Don't forget the fact that Illaoi exists. Nothing even resembling smart balancing there.

S H A Y C 012/10/2015, 8:18:04 PM6 votes

PBE had made it clear before his release?

This is the key right here. We have a beta environment, but it isnt used at all....changes go to beta, get tested for a week, then just go live. Everything is ridiculous for a few days then they patch it. (except of course for the new champ select...we are still frickin waiting for that years later and counting) So why they even have a public beta (btw if its an exclusive beta that is access only, ITS A CLOSED BETA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I dont have access...therefor it isnt open.) environment, if they have ZERO intention of utilizing the advantages of having one?

lolipopevelynn12/10/2015, 1:48:14 PM5 votes

ya balance team has been fucking up since the start of season 5. champions are just blatantly better than others and it shows more so than it has ever shown in the past. why pick Sion or Poppy when TahmKench exists? why pick Khazix period when ANY other assassin is better? why pick Twitch when Vayne exists?

Remember back in season 3 Ezreal had a soaring popularity and pick rate? it was NOT because the champion was overpowered or even strong, it was simply because people liked ezreals playstyle as it was very unique compared to the rest of the champ pool at the time. now we have champs like TahmKench LeeSin Vayne etc who are picked not because they are fun to play, but simply because they have blatantly broken mechanics are just blatantly strong in general. its pretty stupid.

i almost think the balance team we have now is a replacement of a past balance team. as if the old balance team was fired and completely replaced, and it is showing alot. they really dont know what they are doing and they can care less about feedback. they dont even respond to balance threads as much as they use to on old GD.

Keevalroy12/10/2015, 3:01:34 PM5 votes

You still had faith in lairs and hypocrites who argue with contradictions?

Stars Shaper12/10/2015, 3:06:17 PM5 votes

I've come to the conclusion (observing various developer teams, expecially the ones Ghostcrawler is in...) that they let some problematic features go live on purpose in order to check how big of an issue they become and if there is really an overwhelming power about them.

It's like playing with fire and wonder if the world will burn or not.

UrPalAl12/10/2015, 3:55:23 PM5 votes

Pretty sure PBE is basically useless during pre-season, sine live essentially just becomes the PBE.

OlafRagnarson12/10/2015, 4:44:04 PM3 votes

I think they avoid balance changes hat might upset too many players who like certain champs. I also think they purposely make all new champs OP so that people feel compelled to buy them. Basically they make decisions that revolve around their bottom line, which is fine but also shameful in that people are expecting that a fair arena in which to do battle. Not one that that is tilted toward pet favorite champs or game play mechanics

Shloonz12/10/2015, 8:07:55 PM3 votes

If you continously nerf champs some people will switch to some other champ and might stick to the new champ. For this new champ they might buy some skins when they play the champ often. Buffing or nerfing certain champs is just a way to create income for Riot. That's what comes to my mind when i see some champs being nerfed to oblivion.

  1. First bring out a champ and make it viable or a bit better than most of the champs
  2. Bring out some expensive skins for that champ
  3. Feature some plays or make some posts about the champ
  4. Bring out more skins
  5. Since a lot of players bought the champ and the number of sold champs/skins diminshes, Riot nerfs the champ.
  6. Start over at (1)
The Ellimiist12/11/2015, 12:18:50 PM2 votes

You had faith in rito's balance? ahhh you sad, naive fool.

(obligatory jk)

kaltenashes12/10/2015, 6:16:18 PM2 votes

seems like pbe is just for bugs

balance? nah, lets send it to live, let them deal with it

ForgiveColour12/10/2015, 7:09:11 PM2 votes

you forgot how they buffed thunderlords

Çhåryzård12/11/2015, 2:16:57 AM2 votes

Wasnt there something with the keystone mastery thing where Yasuo was getting healed too much or had 100% crit on ever single auto or something like that

DRAGOON Burst12/11/2015, 7:31:22 AM2 votes

They did see it coming. They just chose to ignore it. looks to PBE Community Boards

SpongebobIsLife12/10/2015, 7:32:48 AM2 votes

good question.