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Dark Harvest Math?

Poro Lord·11/27/2018, 10:36:00 AM·1 votes·1,664 views

Everyone is picking dark harvest but people are sheep.

This means very little about its actual power.

I wanna see some math before I cry OP!

I have been spamming Ahri, and trying both dark harvest, and electrocute, and even comet a few games.

Comet procs from anything, so maximum procs per lane is the idea. (most procs - least damage)

Electrocute procs are a little harder to get, but you can still do it at any health. (less procs - medium damage)

Dark Harvest has the most potential late game, but with a few health potions, you might not proc it AT ALL in lane. (least procs - most damage)

This seems like the idea Riot has.

So, I wanna see comparisons.

In similar games, on the same champ, with roughly the same total damage to champs.

Say Ahri mid 20k damage dealt too champs.

Game A: Electrocute = 3.5k total damage

Game B: Dark Harvest = 10,000,000 DAMAGE ZOMG! (I doubt it)

I honestly think, when the numbers are out, people will realize the ONLY time Dark Harvest becomes the best, is in 45 minute games, where you got fed as hell.

90% of games, I bet Electrocute simply puts in more work throughout the game.

[sg-lux-2]

7 Comments

Poro Lord11/27/2018, 10:48:58 AM1 votes

Ok I just took some notes from my own match history.

All these are games with Ahri, from my last 20 games.

Dark Harvest: 15/9/13 - TD = 45k DH Damage = 4479

Dark Harvest: 15/4/11 - TD = 37.4k DH Damage = 3944

Dark Harvest: 10/7/15 - TD = 34.5k DH Damage = 2955

Dark Harvest: 17/4/12 - TD = 49.3k DH Damage = 3278

Dark Harvest: 6/6/4 - TD = 26.8k DH Damage = 1796

Electrocute: 6/7/9 - TD = 19k Elec Damage = 1402

Electrocute: 8/2/3 - TD = 22k Elec Damage = 1505

Electrocute: 8/11/16 - TD = 29.9k Elec Damage = 2914

Electrocute: 5/8/12 - TD = 33k Elec Damage = 2442

Obviously a small sample size.

It does seem my games with Dark Harvest I got more fed, but honestly I just started playing her, and am really starting to find my groove.

All of the electrocute games where farther back in my history, and I think I just was on a serious roll with her while using Dark Harvest.

But lets look at the actual numbers.

Both keystones do about 8%-10% of my total damage to champions.

Not much more, not much less.

Again, please post any results you have to compare.

[sg-ahri-2]

NoobLearninGame11/27/2018, 11:23:17 AM1 votes

I think the ability used once per regular cooldown even with high stacks (until a certain threshold) isn't what's so strong about it. It's that with an assist or kill (both of which are considered "takedowns") you can use it again 1.5 seconds later against the same or a different enemy champion (the same for example, if you hit one person below 50% health, kill someone else or get an assist, then hit that other person who was below 50% health 1.5 seconds later).

Your team can do the same, and if you had 5 champs that dark harvest is good for, you could as a team repeatedly use dark harvest as a group of 5 against individuals, resetting it with each kill/assist for everyone. It has the potential to be very strong theoretically. It was nerfed in a hotfix so it's probably not as broken, but it seems people still think it's strong (looking at the forums at least). I haven't played enough games recently to know if it is op for sure myself.

AR URF11/27/2018, 11:26:47 AM1 votes

For the thousandth time. It's not a dark harvest problem. It's a proccing with summoner spells and burn dmg/DOT that makes it a problem.

Also RIP Soraka

Poro Lord11/27/2018, 11:27:03 AM1 votes

I do see your point, and I don't have a horse in this race.

Maybe it is the best choice currently.

I just hate how sheep-like people are.

They just hop on a bandwagon, and refuse to think objectively.

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

giannishannibal11/27/2018, 11:31:13 AM1 votes

the problem is that at least electocute need to land 3 autos and/or abilities to proc and you have "outplay" or manouvere around it in order not to get hit 3 times. But dark harvest it looks somehow "unfair". I mean if you are half health and someone goes in and miss all his abilities but since you cant dodge auto attacks you get his by a weak auto attack and boom dark harvest is double the damage his auto dealt. I mean dark harvest gives less counterplay and interraction ( dont get his by the enemy abilities and dont go in his auto range with dark harvest up ) vs electrocute that at least needs to get hit 3 times ( here you can juke something and electrocute doesnt proc and you may save yourself that way. Is dark harvest damage way overboard? No, you need many stacks to be able to outdamage electrocute but dark harvest has the chace to reset with eliminations in a big teamfight and deal twice or thrice the damage in 3 different targets in the same teamfight while electocute can proc on 1 target and usually 1 per teamfight ( mean teamfights dont last more than 15-20 secs).

Cait Main11/27/2018, 1:05:04 PM1 votes

Because how DH only procs when you are below 50%hp, it usually ends up only being powerful when ahead or in very aggressive lanes. People talk about the resets late but they aren't strong unless you are playing katarina, wukong, or brand. If you aren't playing those 3 then you'll get about 2 procs in a team fight. In lane its only stronger if are playing a champ that can't consistently proc electrocute or has low slows for comet like Varus, Ez, Cait or Xerath. The only other scenario resets are impactful is bot lane because 1 kill commonly leads to 2 from it.

In general, its a bit too powerful in the right scenario but fairly overhyped.

ChaosThief11/27/2018, 4:09:58 PM1 votes

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