Question about jungling

Relaxed Gaming72·12/24/2015, 1:46:21 AM·3 votes·564 views

Let me preface by saying I have only been playing LoL for about a 2-3 months, 4 max. So you'll have to excuse my ignorance. I played all the positions and like to jungle more than anything else. I find that I was pretty good at top until the recent changes but I won't get into that, I'll get right to my concerns as a new jungler. I obviously don't have a group yet that I can que with so I do a lot of solQ'ing. I don't mind but quite often I find that 2 or even all 3 lanes are being lost and as a jungler I'm wondering what I should do. Do I prioritize mid? Protect the ADC? Help whichever lane I can get to first? Also, the second part of that question is maybe something I'm doing wrong, but I find in these situations where 2 lanes are being lost, I'm 2 or so levels behind the enemy in those lanes. I guess it's to be expected but I feel very ineffective and almost want to revert to jungling until I am a high enough level to make a difference? Any guidance would be appreciated. As a side note, I have practiced routes and such many many times in bot games but I feel playing a human game is so different as I cannot just focus my route and say screw the bots lol. In games where laners are able to at least hold, even if passively, I can help out a lot but I'm at a loss when we are behind.

5 Comments

VictoryDance9612/24/2015, 1:58:23 AM2 votes

This guide will definitely help you:

http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/the-jungle-book-a-beginners-jungling-guide-428372

As the jungler in LoL, you have the ability to have more influence on the outcome of a game than any other role, due to the fact that you are involved in all 3 lanes, not just one, as is the case with Top, Mid, or ADC (or Bot if you have an AP champ there).

Jungling is easily the hardest role in the game, IMO (some people who are good at it will say support or another role they don't like), because you must not only worry about farming the jungle, but you must also concern yourself with how each lane is progressing, where the enemy jungler is, and if there are wards in the appropriate locations (yes, this IS your job, not just the support's!).

As far as choosing a lane that is most important, there really is none, because any of the three lanes has the capability of carrying late game. You should ward so that you will be able to counter-gank the enemy jungler, and should focus most on the lane that is struggling or getting pushed to their own turrent. You must constantly look at the mini map to ensure that nothing and no-one disappears without you knowing it!

Very often you will be behind the enemy in lane unless you got fed from some really nice ganks early game; you should time your ganks to when your ally is at full (or close to full) health so he can asist you in a 2v1, which if it does not get a kill will cause the enemy to flash away and recall, losing experience and gold, which helps that lane.

Also, when you are jungling, being aware does not mean to drop whatever you are doing to go to your team if the enemy jungler appears. It is mostly about experience. When to go help and when to farm up to get a higher level.

Again, read the guide, it will elaborate much further.

Serevas12/24/2015, 2:52:37 AM2 votes

The issue is that as the jungler technically everything is your responsibility. You're supposed to help your lanes get ahead, you're supposed to help if they get behind, you're supposed to prevent the enemy jungler from having too much impact, you're supposed to get individually strong, you're supposed to shot call if nobody else is.

The reason jungling is considered the hardest role in the game is to be a very effective jungler you need to understand your champion, all the lanes, the champions in those lanes, what your champions can do, what theirs can do, when the lane can be successfully ganked, your risks if it gets counter ganked, what type of gank you can use, how long you should actually wait to attempt a gank, if it's worth expending your flash, when you're able to establish vision in certain areas, when you're able to go for certain objectives, etc.

The reason you feel underleveled in those situations is if a lane is losing, my assumption is the other laner picked up a kill, junglers are typically one level behind solo laners, if a laner picks up a kill on the other laner it typically causes a full level of difference between those two champions, between xp on kill as well as the extra xp from minions they're going to pick up that the other person can't.

That jungle guide VictoryDance96 linked is excellent, I highly recommend the read it's worth it, some of the things will be outdated of course, but a lot of the info is good. When you're learning the jungle it's better to play easier champions, sure flashy champions like Lee Sin are fun, but when you're trying to learn complex mechanical champions, as well as a supremely complex role, it makes it so much more difficult. There's no shame in starting out with champions like Xin Zhao, Warwick, Trundle, simple champions that don't have overly complicated mechanics to their kit, that allow you to jungle with ease, while learning how to properly influence the map. Frankly tanks are good to work with to start. Zac is a fantastic jungler, has amazing ganking potential, as well as a pretty fast clear.

With jungling and really with the game in general there's no one size fits all ever. There's a lot of decisions you're going to have to make constantly. Do I get a leash from top or bot? Do I need Blue to clear, or can I get away with starting on the side with Red Buff? Do I level 2 gank? Do I clear one side and gank? Do I do a full clear and gank? Do I full clear then back? Do I invade (Don't do this until you have some more experience it's super risky and can lose the game at level 1 if it backfires.)? Do I tower dive a champion (Also super risky and a little complicated to pull off)? When can I safely counter jungle? Should I invade for vision? Should I gank my winning lane? Should I abandon my losing lane (This is sometimes a fully valid plan.)? What do we need to do to press our advantage? What do we need to do to come back from where we're at? Really good junglers are capable of adapting to changing situations, but still some other junglers have a singular strategy, say camp a singular lane.

You'll have junglers who can gank anytime, and some who need to wait for a certain level to get a good advantage. Warwick has pretty pitiful ganks before he hits 6. Zac can gank as soon as he has Elastic Slingshot, which is often level 3.

Basically the best thing I can say is read a lot about the topic and the champions, watch videos, watch streams if possible, don't stick to a single person's stream, diversifying your knowledge from several junglers is very advantageous. Nightblue3 is a good one to watch and Valkrin is another excellent choice (though he's not a jungle only player.) They're both in the upper chunks of the playerbase, Valkrin is rank 19 challenger I believe, and Nightblue3 is a multiple season challenger and Master Tier player who plays almost exclusively jungle. You can watch a lot of other junglers too like C9 Rush, but Nightblue3 and Valkrin provide you with a lot of additional insight as they're both streams dedicated primarily to teaching the game, Valkrin can provide you with a lot of insight into other roles so you can start figuring out stuff about other lanes as well.

You also really need to have a thick skin, when things go wrong most players will immediately blame the jungler for anything that goes wrong, it happens, just keep your cool and mute them if necessary. It's supremely important to stay calm as the jungler and not let things bother you. You could get invaded and die early, just keep going, it sucks, but you can't let it get to you or you've already lost. I've personally used that strategy to my advantage, I had an early game jungler against Master Yi, he's weak early, I'm strong, I invaded him three different times, took both his buffs and killed him twice, he lost his head and his whole team tilted arguing with one another, it was a completely free game for me. It's a dick way to go about things, but it's also a strategy you can take sometimes.

Anyways, sorry for that massive post, but a lot of it should be helpful, some of it might create more questions, but that's good.

darkmatchwaldo12/24/2015, 3:17:38 AM2 votes

The tricky thing is that the answer to your question changes wildly based on the situation. Some games with certain matchups, yes you should be camping bot and protecting your adc/getting them fed. Other games it's best to prioritize mid or top or even counter jungling. Sometimes you're gonna want to help that lane that's struggling, other times it's best to just cut off the dead meat and focus on the lanes that are doing well. As a general note, i've found it best to almost completely ignore the bot lane. Unless you have a support who sets up ganks well, most of the time it goes horribly wrong (your laners don't follow you in time and you wind up getting CC'd and killed). It's a lot easier to gank one guy than it is ganking two. Getting your Riven or Ahri fed and roaming quickly is going to snowball the game much faster than getting your Kalista or Varus fed quickly. But sometimes you just have like a tank top and you wanna get your Vayne up and running ASAP, like i said it all varies game to game. To sum it up as basically as i can, identify your teams stong points as early as you can and support them. If it's 7 minutes in and your bot lane has died 5 times, bot lane no longer exists. Trying to gank that 5/0/0 Vayne 0/0/5 Thresh lane is probably gonna end up with you dead. But if you can get your mid lane Leblanc just as fed, she's gonna take care of the fed Vayne herself. It's all about being as productive as you can at all times while constantly weighing the pros and cons of your decisions. It's kinda like chess because you need to be thinking 5 steps ahead all the time.

ïïïï12/24/2015, 1:52:28 AM1 votes

your job is to make sure the lanes dont lose or fall behind, always gank after you hit lvl 3 and when you gank dont just go for mid, look at what champions are on your team and evaluate what matchups need help or if you have a hard carry that could use a gank to get them snowballing. alot fo new junglers usually think they need to farm alot in the first 5 minutes but really its all about map controll, usually a good idea is after you take golems/gromp go to your blue/red then to your wraiths/wolves to hit lvl 3 then pick up the scuttle crab for the side of the map you are on and you have basically taken controll of that side of the map so you have room to make a gank either on that side of the map or mid while havong the vision needed to avoid a countergank.

the rest depends on what champ your playing and your skills with that champ.

  • GLHF LeeSin
Relaxed Gaming7212/24/2015, 1:53:25 PM1 votes

Wow, thank you all for the very informative posts. I have a lot to read up on, and will definitely be reading over that guide. I see some things that all of you pointed out that I need to start doing or paying attention to, especially sticking with a less complex jungler.