It is not the junglers responsibility to make sure you don't get ganked

MorrisseyMarr·4/15/2015, 4:33:03 AM·63 votes·4,453 views

Why is it that right after a laner gets ganked they immediately go to chat with "where's my jungler" or "I'm getting my lane camped jungler help"

Yo I'm playing Amumu I'm not going to chase LeeSin around into a double kill . Try warding and not shoving to turret there's a reason you're getting your lane camped you're easy meat and I'm not getting baited into it too.

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iM Uranium4/15/2015, 4:34:43 AM6 votes

Devil's Advocate. If you have eyes on jungler from enemy side. Try to take an objective or gank a different lane to add pressure to the map

GundayMonday4/15/2015, 9:14:15 PM5 votes

Hi, Diamond jungle main here. OP has a very good point.

This is how I tell who NOT to gank for. If a player complains about being camped, or is pushed up without wards and then blaming ME for not counterganking (I'm probably doing dragon or something else useful), then that tells me that they don't know how to play the game and that I should spend my time snowballing the players that know what they're doing.

I see that the enemy jungler is hanging out in your lane. I can also see how you react to it. If I see you 1v2ing easily, then I make a beeline for your lane because you're apparently a god and I want you fed. If you're playing something without escapes like Fiora mid and pushed up without warding. Then yeah, I would camp you too because you're bad and giving up free kills.

That said, if I see that you're competent and playing the situation correctly, that tells me to go help you out. And I will. Because I like to win.

tldr; if you complain about being camped or beg for a countergank, it tells me you suck at your role and to spend time elsewhere if I want to win.

4ManVotedAgainst4/15/2015, 8:29:49 AM4 votes

It's the LANER's responsibility to know NOT to first-pick an easily COUNTERED character and to NOT counter-pick himself. Any laner who cannot understand this DESERVES TO LOSE and SHOULD in fact be sent towards Bronze-Ranks or lower if not already.

Kairya4/15/2015, 1:29:28 PM4 votes

Yes and no.

While you obviously can't do anything about a gank that already happend, and it's sometimes smarter to leave a camped lane alone, to either put pressure on other lanes or just counter-jungle; there are things you can do.

  1. Communication After I've cleared my first round the jungle and reached lvl 3, I usually write something like. " Okay their jungler is probably going to gank soon". Similar things when buffs respawn. I tell my team about it, because they might not realize it themselves. Sometimes I just ping for caution on a gut feeling or because I got some vision on their jungler.

  2. Wards You are no supporter sure, but you should always pick up a ward or two if you have some left-over money. So you ward for a laner, when he forgets it, has CD or feels that he doesn't need them. You ward strategic spots. You try to remove as many wards as possible, in those same spots. This has the added advantage, that it should make the opponent laner more insecure as he lost his vision and you might still be around.

  3. Experience /Being around at the right time While there are a LOT more experienced players than me, I still feel that you just get better at knowing what is going to happen where. And then you can be there when a gank happens, or you can just let yourself be seen close to that lane, most junglers don't like ganking when they know back up is around (unless they are very fed already)

So you can either allow your team mates to react early to a gank or to anticipate them. You can tell them when it's save to push under turret, and when it's not. You can't turn back time though, not even as Zilean Jungle.

M Schumacher4/15/2015, 4:33:53 AM3 votes

its the junglers responsibility to do something when the enemy jungler shows top instead of farming raptors

IziMytTJd74/15/2015, 4:41:23 AM3 votes

Funny story:

I looked up your profile. Bronze 4 with 1 win. So I'm thinking, "how could you be ranked when you haven't even played enough games for placeme.....oh...........".

Not that there's anything wrong with that. But more on topic, as a jungler you DO have responsibilities. It is YOUR responsibility to countergank whenever possible. And if you aren't in position to do so, then you need to either gank another lane, take dragon, or at the very least go and counterjungle, since you know the enemy jungler will not be there.

No more of this "I'm a jungler I have no responsibilities" bs.

Hayes4/15/2015, 8:09:23 PM2 votes

Laners should buy at least one ward on going back...to ward their bushes, but they don't , then they blame junglers. It's how it works , if you spectate high rank games Diamond + EVERYONE buys wards , but in lower Ranks it's the blame game, they want to power creep as fast as possible.

IMHO Wards = Win's if you can see where everyone is...you win....period.

Tyren4/15/2015, 2:26:18 PM2 votes

The jungler's job is to secure objectives and apply map pressure (which involves ganks but does not include winning your lane for you).

If your lane is pushed and not warded do not expect a gank. Also, if you're asking for a gank before I finish 3 - 4 camps, you're doing something wrong.

Curling Veigar4/15/2015, 3:38:27 PM1 votes

amumu >> lee

Silents4294/15/2015, 5:09:32 PM1 votes

For context I am a Jungle main and have played since Season 3.

I for one don't disagree that laners shouldn't whip out the blame train towards junglers if they get ganked but I don't think junglers should be exempt from at least easing the amount of pressure they have.

"Oh but silents LANING IS SOOOO EASY"

See unlike in the jungle I only really worry about the enemy jungler and I rarely ever meet up with them unless I look for them, but that doesn't work the same with a laner who has to worry about the enemy laner and another guy coming in unexpectedly. I also don't have to be as paranoid about farm since a lot of junglers aren't too reliant on farm for half the game unlike laners who need to last hit constantly.

So no, while the laner shouldn't blame you them getting ganked it is part of a junglers responsibility to assume some control over the map either by wards, counter jungling, ganking, or killing the enemy jungler. If you aren't doing any of this, I don't care if you are Amumu you are still able to ward the river side they can't ward for. If you are doing nothing but farming, I am sorry but to me you have failed as a jungler, even farm heavy or post 6 ganking champions can be useful throughout the laning phase without having to make contact with anyone.

If you are warding and they simply can't be aware then sadly can't do much other then ping for them, it is a lot easier for you to watch the game then it is for them, so try to be as useful as you can.

Shield Villain4/15/2015, 7:09:30 PM1 votes

There's a difference between getting ganked once, and having the enemy Jungler camp a lane, though. If the enemy jungler is quite literally camping them, always there, and making it impossible for your Laner to even farm, such as the case with tower divers like Rek-sai and Lee sin, then it's only reasonable to expect your own jungler to help.

I mean, yeah sure you can't always help out. As a jungler, I know this is often the case. You're down by bot and the enemy jungler shows up at top lane, or vice versa. Either way, if the jungler is literally just waiting there, and occasionally jumping into the lane to help harass your laner/s then it's something else. You shouldn't just be jerking off at your camps, you should make it a priority to either gank another lane, or go help them out. Other wise you're not making proper use of the situation. Fuck, even counter jungling would be a good idea at this point.

But this is often not the case in low elos. When someone gets camped, that's pretty much it. 7/10 times your jungler isn't going to have any map awareness, or bother to help you in any way. Instead they're going to keep farming their jungle.

warpenguin5554/15/2015, 2:26:26 PM1 votes

If they are camping a lane yeah, go get dragon/ enemy jungle camps

JC DarkOmen4/15/2015, 8:39:44 PM1 votes

Speak, brotha! Let the words of the lord flow from your fingertips!

I had a policy that I really need to readopt: never gank a losing lane. If your lane is losing hard for any reason, especially you being too stupid to buy a ward.,I'm not going for that. And before anyone starts raging at me, I define losing as 'down 3 kills'. The first kill you should be wary. The second, you should play safe. The third, you're just bad, and saving your lane won't help and will probably get me killed as well. Instead, I'm gonna take dragons and snowball other lanes, not necessarily in that order.

Oh, Maokai is top? Good, then he's not mid. Oh, he's top again? Good, then he's not bot. Oh, man, looks like Maokai and Trundle got your turret. Good thing Yasuo, Ashe, and Blitz won their lanes, got fed, and we have 2 drags, or we'd be screwed. A surrender vote? Are you kidding? You got killed 3v1, but we won the 2v4 and pushed two turrets and another drag. Just put some wards down and let yourself get carried, kid.

Mayor Stubbs4/15/2015, 9:01:53 PM1 votes

Couldn't agree more.

SociopathFriend4/15/2015, 9:12:22 PM1 votes

It's honestly just as easy as dropping a damn ward- you get one for absolutely free! Sure, it will only last a minute- so what do you do when it expires? Don't be sitting right in front of the enemy turret! And look at your minimap! I know it's hard to keep an eye on it at all times- but at least glance at it every now and then. That deep ward I put by the enemy blue lets you know he's at least in the area!

Beertaster4/15/2015, 1:57:07 PM1 votes

Sometimes you need at least one gank. Had a game where teemo top was doing his best to not to die to a mordekaiser, after 10 mins or more he gets the gank he's been begging for and it turns the lane in his favor enough for to teemo to start solo killing Mordekaiser.

So some help is necessary, but yeah so many people are really needy and pit their failures on the jungle.

OmManiPadmeHum4/15/2015, 9:37:47 PM1 votes

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Why is it that right after a laner gets ganked they immediately go to chat with "where's my jungler" or "I'm getting my lane camped jungler help"

Yo I'm playing Amumu I'm not going to chase LeeSin around into a double kill . Try warding and not shoving to turret there's a reason you're getting your lane camped you're easy meat and I'm not getting baited into it too.

this. lol

I love jungle, but man, when you get in a game where your team gives up first blood and then a couple more, going 0/3 to start, everyone starts pointing fingers and getting all roided out.

Settle down, regroup, and don't do what you did last time (that includes warding when you haven't warded).

Krigjer4/16/2015, 12:09:20 AM1 votes

I get more frustrated when I'm being camped and keeping their jungler's attention for what feels the entire laning phase, but I don't see any progress anywhere on the map. Same thing with mid roaming. I'm blaming you for not taking advantage of it, not because I think it's your fault I'm getting camped.

GGMystic4/16/2015, 2:01:36 AM1 votes

What some players need to understand is that mindlessly ganking lanes just because they're pushed up is a great way to get counterganked.

You know that LeeSin that started bot side, cleared 3 camps, and then proceeded to gank top at around 3:30 because it's been pushed up by the enemy top laner? I'm not saying that you shouldn't gank lanes that are too good to be true. Instead, you have to take into consideration the likelihood of being counterganked: Did the enemy jungler start bot side also? Is his champion able to clear his camps and get to top lane at about the same time or sooner?

The appropriate precautions should be taken if a countergank is likely.

blkh14/16/2015, 4:36:33 AM1 votes

the easiest way to get their jungler away from a lane is to make them needed somewhere else. Or ward and basically make their camp a waste of time. I get frustrated if I see their jungler cuddling in my lane and I don't see anything from our jungler anywhere else. It is the responsibility to keep ones lane well warded which really helps a lot.

Firestartertot4/16/2015, 6:50:22 AM1 votes

Yeah in my last placement game jarvan ganked bot and killed our janna while I was at the other side of the map doing red as like a level 3(?) amumu and she screamed at me for not coming and counterganking item 3070 Amumu item 3070

scurvydog201/27/2016, 2:07:47 AM1 votes

i'll accept that but its a different matter when you see the enemy jg 5 times and you jg zero. or how about when your jg just stands there taking the krugs while your tower is being attacked and you are dead