There is a serious problem with this game right now

Jefftiffy·8/20/2018, 5:27:51 AM·21 votes·8,761 views

And it's not just runes. It's lethality and the meta it created. item 3147 + item 3142 literally turns any assassin into a one shot machine because they only have to hit 50-75% of their kit to kill you. Duskblade just needs to be deleted. It's terribly designed just give the assassin about 100 damage extra on their first hit + electrocute for about 100 also. At level 6 with {{item :3134}} that's 88 damage + AA for around 100. 188 on just the AA and electrocute proc. summoner 14 does 205. 393 damage from just AA ignite and electrocute. Ahri has 889 hp at level 6. 44.2% (about 40% after armor) of her hp is gone assuming the enemy mid laner is AD runs that set up and hits nothing else. Meaning that if you aren't full hp in lane you instantly die if they hit at least 2 abilities at level 6 and get the engage. And this is just looking at a strict 1v1 against almost any AD champion who builds item 3134 early with Electrocute.

But then you look at the ADC's. Damn things have to build to keep up with the AD mids and they just can't so the tanks stack a shit ton of armor and hp leaving them basically useless until mid game because the tank can just run to the back line and not care because their base damages are so high and ADCs can do absolutely nothing on their own to stop it unless they are any of the meta ADCs who already excel at running away from the nuclear assassin running straight at them. Most popular ADCs: Jhin Tristana Draven Kaisa Lucian. All champs that can put out high dps and reposition extremely well because otherwise you are basically dead as a carry.

As a side note, I believe Electrocute should be converted to magic damage to push AD mid laners backwards a bit and give other lanes more breathing room as their stats are better with lethality being the most common choice with Electrocute.

22 Comments

Daddy Ants8/20/2018, 11:39:13 AM15 votes

50%?

Zed literally needs to R -> AA -> Ignite to kill you.

No need to land double shurikens.

Nea1048/20/2018, 3:43:31 PM4 votes

"a" serious problem? "right now"? :P

August is ending, and after 16 patches they've just made their own game worse and worse :D

Zullar8/20/2018, 6:16:28 PM4 votes

This entire game needs an overhaul at this point.

Agree with GemBoy... sustain is so high you need to 1shot or nothing sticks. And most people can 1shot eachother. Mobility creep is so out of control you can no longer position well. Elemental dragons cause huge snowball and everybody just afk's/int's if you start to lose (I mean who really wants to play against a team that picked up 2 infernals?). Community is toxic.

Riot broke their game. My friends list is empty and nobody logs on anymore.

Rıots Bad Client8/20/2018, 5:29:54 PM4 votes

Sustain is to high. so that makes 1 shotting necessary to deal with that. but doing so makes it so tanks suffer then they Buff tanks, so no one can kill the tanks while the squishy explode. then that pushes for an adc meta. where it becomes Better adc wins. Then it goes to support meta where it goes which support can get a broken item first. Then it goes to the bruiser meta which abuses the sustain, the damage and the tank.

I personally find SUSTAIN the root issue.

Ulquiorra01238/20/2018, 1:56:14 PM3 votes

So speaking from an assassin player, well really I just play Kha'Zix, but I play against assassins quite a bit. The biggest problem assassin is Talon, and its due to how safe he is in lane for being an assassin. I don't think he should be that safe, because it just enables him to do whatever he wants. Talon I actually believe is the only problem champion in the assassin pool right now.

Kha'Zix, Wukong, Zed, Rengar, these guys all need kills to thrive, but what if just for a second, your gold level game didn't have 20 deaths in 10 minutes. What if you just didn't feed the assassin. Cause I can tell you this much, being ahead on Kha'Zix, I should destroy carries. Being behind, I just shouldn't and I don't. But it all comes back to this: The entire AD assassin pool, minus Talon, requires kills to be good through the mid and late game, if you are going to feed them, don't complain.

Removing Duskblade is not an option, it will make the entire assassin pool useless after the changes to runes are done. Yes the runes are a problem, and Riot has addressed this issue, but the item itself is not an issue. Wait until the runes are reverted and then look at items and see if there are still outlying issues.

Also If you are an ADC with no mobility, hasn't it been common knowledge that you would die 8-10 times in a game when there is an assassin for like 4 years now? This is not a new thing, you guys have been getting one shot for seasons, not for patches, for seasons. Remember when Dandy played Rengar in S4 worlds? Yeah he one shot adcs, its not different here lmao.

Also I love how this post uses a champion with 3 escapes who is a serious problem in higher elos atm because if you are good at her you just never die and you deal so much damage xD

In final, yes Talon is an issue, but the others really aren't if you just don't feed them. If they get fed, they are going to deal disgusting damage. Then again I have been deleted by a single auto from an ADC, mages are one shotting people, tanks do so much damage if they are ahead, Bruisers are just bad but that's okay. It's not just the assassin pool, and its weird that as a person who plays one shot champions like Fizz, Lux and Veigar, you are complaining about assassins when you do the same thing on those three.

LoveBubbleButts8/20/2018, 6:43:34 PM3 votes

Can someone explain to be why we replaced Armor Penetration with Lethality In the first place? [zombie-brand-mindblown]

Death by Glamour8/20/2018, 9:26:13 AM2 votes

Tjhose two items turn alot of the bruiser/divers into one shot gods... thats more of a problem

Yordle Xayah8/21/2018, 2:05:20 AM1 votes

Wait... Tristana is at like 3% pick rate. How is that "one of the most popular ADC"?? She's middle of the pack at most in terms of play rate.

Summonah123698/20/2018, 9:32:01 AM1 votes

I think the problem is people one shotting with AP. It happened to me as Kindred against fqn AP Nunu ult. Full health, yes ik he had a lot of AP but it should NEVER be allowed to one shot.

Sire Hippington8/20/2018, 12:44:49 PM1 votes

It's neither just runes, nor is it just lethality, it's everything combined. Damage(relative to tankiness) since S5 just increased massively(and it already increased quite a bit from S2 to S5 allready) in various ways, runes, lethality and ignite are just some of it. It's not just ad-assasins that oneshot, any burst AP does so aswell and some bruiser are also well capable of quickly deleting any squishy, and tankiness basically doesn't exist, even a full tank rammus hardly livesl longer than 3-4 sec in a lategame teamfight.

GodlyBane8/20/2018, 4:55:17 PM1 votes

what about mages? they are equally as bad.

SzGamer2278/20/2018, 7:18:36 PM1 votes

Changing Electrocute to Magic damage would be very ill advised. You build against AD champions by buying armor. If said AD champion is using Lethality, adding armor is extra efficient because it diminishes the overall effect of the flat armor reduction. If you convert a portion of an AD champion's damage to magic, that damage goes almost entirely unmitigated against squishy builds unless you handicap your offensive power in order to build both armor and magic resist.

TL;DR: Armor has a bigger impact on Lethality than it does on Magic damage, which is important when you can only afford one defensive stat.

Bag0fDirt8/20/2018, 8:55:27 PM1 votes

To be fair. Getting kills is the assassin's job and if he cannot kill an squishy fast he gets deleted. It's would be hard to balance assassin's cuz people hate being 1 shot and assassin's hate not doing enough dmg But I do agree some assassin's need a nerd, but don't nerf them to oblivion Karthus <give buffs