Hecarim Toplane.

yung swisher·6/18/2015, 7:58:47 PM·0 votes·927 views

Speaking from experience as a Rengar top, I have a couple problems with how toplane's play is currently balanced. Keep in mind, this is not a thread about Hecarim toplane being OP and crying about it, rather the state of toplane, contrary to the thread title.

The game that I have just played against a Hecarim, I beat him with a Yi gank at level 3~ ish. This allowed me to get ahead and buy with pickaxe and two longswords. All Hecarim bought was level 1 boots. He outdamaged me. Yes he took smite for challenging smite, but he didn't have the jungle item yet; just boots and a flask. I exhausted him during a trade where i was winning and spent my 5 fero on Q, and he outdamaged me while exhausted. To me, this caused me to go on tilt a little bit because I simply could not fathom why he was able to outdamage me with 0 damage items.

"But OP," you might say. "He bought boots, that's a damage item on Hecarim because of his passive." You're right, it does give him bonus AD based on his MS. However, the fact remains that boots give a MOVEMENT SPEED stat, which is in no way shape or form a damage stat. In my opinion, it should not out damage +45 AD with movement speed, of all things. Which brings me to my next point.

The current state of toplane is usually to play something mobile that you can stomp with, then roam to other lanes and pressure them down. What I do not understand is why toplaners are able to take mobility enhancing items and summoners like Smite, and win their lane without downsides. Could anyone offer some insight that a Gold level player wouldn't be able to gleam from experience? Am I right or am I mad? Thanks.

11 Comments

Inphernal6/18/2015, 8:08:58 PM2 votes

I dont believe you :(

TeemoJenkins6/18/2015, 8:11:15 PM2 votes

So you were standing there just Auto Attacking each other? Or was he Q'ing / using his W and his flask which would lead to outsustaining you through the trade? How low were you both during the trade? Did you grass pounce him or just straight up box? Did he initiate into you with his E?

You had a pickaxe and one long sword when you fought, he had his boots, and a flask. He was running Pen marks and AD Quints, and I see you weren't running any significant MR so his W would've been giving him good sustain.

I don't think making balance changes to champions based on one trade is the answer.

Robins Tights6/19/2015, 2:03:13 PM2 votes

According to your match history, you only had 35 AD purchased at that point. He killed you at 5 min, and you purchased the second long sword at 9:33. Even with Rengar's heal, you shouldn't have been fighting unless he chased you into the brush (technically you should have used his ferocity for his Q). Hecarim just has more sustained damage than Rengar, who is mainly an assassin. His Q cooldown is very low, his heal is better, his charged E boosted his damage a bit too. Even exhausted, if you couldn't kill him quickly at that point, he's bound to win.

Also Hecarim has higher base stats than Rengar in EVERYTHING except for his attack speed and the AS scaling. By level 4, he already had 40 extra health, 5 more health regen, 2 more base AD (lol), and 6 more armor. Rengar's only way to win is to take the fight to the brushes where he can juke.

TeemoJenkins6/19/2015, 1:59:12 PM1 votes

"Exhausts target enemy champion, reducing their Movement Speed and Attack Speed by 30%, their Armor and Magic Resist by 10, and their damage dealt by 40% for 2.5 seconds." Well son of a bitch... Been playing since S3 and thought Exhaust just beat down AD...

Drunk Rummate6/19/2015, 2:03:03 PM1 votes

lol i really don't believe you.

you probably outdamaged him overall, but traded inside the minion wave and he got a lot of health back from his W plus ill bet he had a flask charge running.

honestly hecarim is pretty weak early game if you dont fight him inside minion waves. and his movespeed = damage passive is hardly an issue.