Riven is imbalanced, but not op nor weak.

SS Enforcer·8/1/2015, 1:49:17 PM·18 votes·2,032 views

Imbalance: _[im-bal-uh ns] _ noun 1. the state or condition of lacking balance, as in proportion or distribution.

Balance: [bal-uh ns] noun 1. a state of equilibrium or equipoise; equal distribution of weight, amount, etc.

The main problem of riven is that the "weight" or "amount" of her strength is not distributed equally.

If she gets ahead, her strenghts become incredibly useful.

If she falls behind, her weaknesses are more noticable than ever before, and can potentially lead to a worthless toplaner.

Ahead: Resourceless, Short cooldowns, Good base damage and ratios, Hard CC, Escapes, A potent shield

**Behind: **Short Range, Vulnerable to CC, Easy to itemize against, Only Flat damage, Not enough gold for core items

All of these things packed together into one champion result in that champion either stomping the guts out of everyone, or being completely useless.

The solution: Taking away the snowball power from riven, and giving her a bit more strenght if she falls behind, such as:

1: Reducing ratios/base damage and giving hp percentage damage to one of her skills.

1/b. Her ult has less base damage and ratios, but damages much more based on the missing health of the opponent. This way rivens would actually pay attention to the opponent's hp instead of just facerolling if they are ahead.

2: Making her benefit from defensive stats, while taking away some benefits from offensive stats.

2/a. Making her shield scale with maximum health or resistances instead of ad.

With these changes, riven would be pushed into a more bruiser-like state, but if this is what needs to be done in order for balance, then i hope it's not too big of a sacrifice.

Thank you for reading, if you agree, please upvote the thread so othes can see.

46 Comments

I GANK LANES8/1/2015, 8:49:27 PM10 votes

Lol no, I dont even really play riven and all your suggestions are horrible

ScreamPaste8/1/2015, 5:23:34 PM7 votes

"Make a unique champion like other champions because I hate building armour."

No, OP, lol. No. Also, you have the definitions of balance and imbalance right there in the OP, why are you misapplying them? No champion is going to be strong when behind, some have the ability to come from behind due to the design of their kit like Wu Kong does, but Riven is not one of those champions, and that's fine, because she's an aggressive, early game champion.

Balance has nothing to do with "when", and you're trying to apply the word to a "when" situation.

Feathermane8/1/2015, 7:50:03 PM5 votes

Even a fed Riven loses a lot of games compared to other champions. The same people who want her nerfed or reworked will proceed to wonder why melee carries don't work in League.

metaworldpeace108/1/2015, 6:08:52 PM3 votes

Making her shield scale off of max hap and resistances? What? When's the last time you saw a Riven build pure defensive stats? Never, because her base stats suck. I do agree though that the best way to balance Riven is to diminish her snowball potential, but allow for her to come back. I think her shield scaling off of AD is fine, what's not fine is the fact that she can use it every 4 seconds.

IAMS4T4N8/1/2015, 2:23:32 PM3 votes

they should remove the bonus ad she gets from her ult, lower the scaling on her shield, and remove the stun and replace it with something else and she wont be such a pain in the fucking ass

Qarekeo8/1/2015, 5:19:11 PM3 votes

A lot of champions have the same balance issues you're describing. Sometimes it's intentionally put in (like with squishy marksmen) where the counter is intuitive and natural, but some cases (like Tryndamere) are unintentional, and that's where the most annoying cases usually are. Same goes for Katarina, LeBlance, Vayne, and a lot of other item-heavy champions. I think the "feed or fed" design gets to a lot of forum-goers.

Ticklish Tas8/2/2015, 12:45:36 AM2 votes

Riven is an inherently broken champion due to her very high mobility coupled with no resource It's very difficult to catch or escape from her because she has 4 dashes, one of which has an aoe knockup, while she also has an aoe stun. Even if Riven does manage to fall behind early, she can still plop herself right in the middle of the enemy team for a multiple person stun or just go straight after the enemy adc, which she will very likely kill even if she is behind or at least pressure out of the fight quickly.

Behind: Short Range, Vulnerable to CC, Easy to itemize against, Only Flat damage, Not enough gold for core items So she's got short range but a fuckton of mobility of mobility so it's not a problem, everybody is "vulnerable to cc" except for maybe Irelia, and everybody has not enough gold for core items when they get behind. I get that she's easy to itemize against, but when her build path includes brutalizer and last whisper as core buys by mid game, and a Black Cleaver by late, armor starts to not mean much unless you're Malphite. I don't know what you mean with "only flat damage".

What it all comes down to is her high mobility with no resource. This should not be allowed on a champion. Her cooldowns aren't even that long as well, for some fucking reason. She's kinda hard to shut down because of her infinite mobility, and once she's rolling, she's harder to shut down than most champions due to her aoe cc and the fact that her defensive capabilities scale with her attack damage. Her shield is bigger, and she is able to lifesteal more just from getting more ad because of her passive procs.

KONO RUBICK DA8/1/2015, 4:26:14 PM2 votes

change the stun by a slow is all she needs

O Fallen Scholar8/1/2015, 6:27:52 PM2 votes

If Riot can pull of a good rework on Riven without ruining her fighter style, I would probably continue playing her. But if they change her to generic bruiser with soft CC and peel etc, I would rip my hair out.

Yes, she needs some sort of rework to be less annoying. I agree with OP though that she's in a "weird" state.

EDIT: by removing animation cancelling, she would fall from popularity pretty quickly because that's the only thing which keeps her in the game atm

CasterGilgamesh8/1/2015, 8:28:14 PM2 votes

no what we need is riot to let other champions be strong they keep nerfing champions to keep them in line but what you really need to buff champions so they can keep up we don't need riven nerfed if we could just make more tops viable and if adcs and mids fall behind buff them as well if supports fall behind do the same we can't just solve this shit by nerfing that would make the game boring

ShuffledPancake8/1/2015, 1:51:47 PM2 votes

She is unbalanced, but better then alot of tops (Still not op nor bad)

The Bíg Ticket8/1/2015, 3:36:44 PM1 votes

She just needs her base damage nerfed. Maxed Q at level 9 does 450 damage without any ad items...that is just ridiculous.

Each Q does 90 + 0.6 TOTAL AD, so if she has 100 AD at level 9(she will likely have more, but 100 AD would be without any offensive items) she will do 270 + 1.8 TOTAL AD (1.8 x 100 = 180) so 270 + 180 which is 450....450 base damage plus a knockup.

MLDzXnRRR8/1/2015, 9:02:08 PM1 votes

the stun + knockup combo gives no counterplay, if you don't have stacked armor...

Poske8/1/2015, 9:21:06 PM1 votes

So what are you saying is:

Its not OK for a champion to snowball hard or fall of to hard

Do you know how dumb that sounds...?

And btw riven doesnt snowball / fall of hard at all

Only time riven snowballs harder then average champ is when she is against someone who is a lot lower elo then she is

MohawkBird8/1/2015, 4:24:14 PM1 votes

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O Fallen Scholar8/1/2015, 9:25:27 PM1 votes

What OP forgets though is that even with her shield, Riven is still weak to chain CC. Some of them can ruin Riven's damaging combo immediately and she will be forced to either flash for escape or die. That's why she is a weak pick in higher elo than in lower ones. People in higher elos know how to play against her. Even when she is pretty fed.