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Revert Dark Harvest? Thoughts?

ßàßà ñasty·11/22/2018, 12:17:30 AM·32 votes·12,710 views

In my opinion, the new dark harvest is more broken than it ever was at the moment. This opinion is funny because I am currently ranking up an account using only assassins in the jungle. Even though it is fun to one shot people from a bush as Rengar or Kayn with new DH, a lot of other people and I believe that DH would do well with a revert because at the moment literally any champion can take the rune and dominate with it. While the old DH was good, it was more of a mid to late game rune getting stronger and stronger as the game progressed which helped out certain champs from not falling off, and helped other champs become really broken. While the old DH was kinda broken(it was and still is imo), it was still barely balanced because of the curve you needed to hit (which for me was around 70 to 90 DH stacks, with 150 stacks being overpowered imo) to do that extra damage that was deemed overpowered. Now the old DH compared to the new DH is like when old League 2015 masteries were changed to the newer 2016 masteries. I feel like this is great example because when the Masteries were changed, a new one came to the spotlight, a mastery called : _Thunderlord's Decree! _ This mastery is good to look back onto because of how it was used when it first came out: USE IT ON ANYONE! (even supports) I remember when this baby first came out and everyone was trying out the newer masteries when all of a sudden people found out that this one mastery was better than all the rest, on any champion, in any lane. This went on for a short while and masteries were changed/buffed to even out the use of masteries. And from what I see, the new DH is exactly what happened when Thunderlords came out, what no one wants in their league games: Any champion that can 100 to 0 you within a second[zombie-nunu-bummed] .( even supports can fight you with ignite and kill you, procing dark harvest when you reach 50% HP) So in conclusion, from a season 4/5 Shaco main turned Zac main who still loves to play assassins, the new Dark Harvest should be reverted, or at least nerfed to a point where its not as overpowered as it is now in its current state.

This was my first post on the lol forums in ever, even though I've been playing the game on and off (more on since 2014) since 2010. Thank you for readign this if you did and have a wonderful day and a wonderful Thanksgiving tomorrow! [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

41 Comments

koochario11/22/2018, 12:36:57 AM18 votes

New DH has zero skill and isn't interesting in any way. The old DH had a tiny skill floor but a high skill cap and allowed you to carry much better late even on champions without obscene end games. Even if they keep this new one with the 50% threshold, I want the soul dropping to be a component like before. That actually rewarded planning out fights or smart positioning and it's always less tilting when allies die if you can at least use their sacrifice for something. The new one is less precise (applies on random damage), has less depth and is in much more direct competition with Electrocute. It's hardly even a late game rune anymore (especially with the ratio cut on APs so it's not abused by Xerath, Karthus, Veigar etc.). Junglers need a scaling rune too and this leaves them with nothing but a watered down version which will always be worse on them compared to laners.

SweedishGunner11/22/2018, 3:16:46 AM10 votes

Remove Dark Harvest.

ModAcademy Kayn11/22/2018, 2:21:32 AM6 votes

It needs a range. Running into Teemo shrooms and him harvesting your soul from 50 miles away is dumb.

nozik55511/22/2018, 12:41:25 AM5 votes

I preferred having it front loaded. The new one is super gimmicky and it's hard to judge your "health" when multiple people can apply DH on the same target. Even if that weren't the case though, it's so much better to know from the start just how much life you have after their burst. I don't like being surprised when already low.

ModCaptainMårvelous11/22/2018, 1:12:27 AM4 votes

Have the execution range scale up as the game goes on. At the moment you can get someone to below 1/2 HP, then slap'em with DH for an easy stack. Have it start at 20-25% at level 1/minute 0 then scale up to 50% at level 18. That way it's more difficult to stack at the cost of being easier to proc.

Biomedical11/22/2018, 1:42:44 AM4 votes

The new DH feels great on champions that utilize it; however, it's not worth it. It is way too strong.

Madsin2511/22/2018, 6:09:43 AM2 votes

The rune might be a tad bit overtuned at the moment but the old dark harvest was not a perfect rune by any means.

If your autos were not a main part of your kit you could not use the old DH, and even then only a select few could use it.

Atleast with this version of the rune a good chunk of the champion roster can use it.

Bisaknosp11/22/2018, 2:24:44 AM2 votes

i want this rune removed tbh never liked it

Velasan11/22/2018, 4:26:10 AM2 votes

Idk, if they were going to revert it I still like being able to apply it with abilities instead of having to basic attack.

If we could keep that part I don't see why not.

Aazzoren11/22/2018, 4:32:19 AM2 votes

Currently DH can be proc'ed 25 times by one team in a single <10 second teamfight (1 initial proc + 4 resets for kills/assist per player). I don't think any other keystone can provide this much teamfight damage in that short amount of time (unless you somehow have 5 Electrocute procs hit all enemy champions). Conqueror or PTA might do more damage in a drawn out fight, but they require a lot more setup - and more importantly - surviving until that point.

In the current meta, snowballing is king. And no other keystone is this accommodating for snowballing. "You want to kill the enemy? Here's some damage for that! And as a reward, next time you'll do even more damage! And if you help kill someone, the next damage will come a lot quicker!" It is, as far as I can tell, the only mechanic in LoL that has its own reinforcing feedback loop builtin.

I'm not sure reverting is the right way to go, though.

The old DH rewarded farmers that had some use for auto attacks, and had its damage frontloaded (first hit). It was good (if not broken) on champions that could use it to prepare some execution skill (like most assassins) or could pack as much damage as possible in that first hit (thereby oneshotting squishies).

The new DH has been shifted in scope to be more of an execution tool. It benefits champions most that can easily damage low health targets (e.g. via AoE, range or DoTs), though every champ can easily profit from just having it. In some form, it provides more counterplay than the old DH (don't get hit at low health vs. don't get hit at all),

I'd suggest making DH have a cooldown on the target (like other similar effects, e.g. J4 passive). That way, it isn't possible to proc DH on the same target more than once per fight (unless the fight drags on for a minute). This also has the effect of picking DH multiple times per team less desirable (as only one champ can proc DH on a target in a teamfight). This should still make it strong due to its resets, but a lot harder to exploit.

SuffocateMeDaddy11/22/2018, 7:50:37 AM2 votes

Why is there no option for "A rune that pushed early game champions into lategame monsters should be fucking removed"? This rune single handely kills any reason to pick lategame comps. Old DH was good only on junglers but now its good on everyone so people can finally fucking see how stupid the idea of infinitely stacking damage really is.

pogcorn11/22/2018, 9:25:38 PM2 votes

it's like the retards at riot didn't learn from preseason last year and made assassins meta again

The Trent11/23/2018, 12:16:10 AM2 votes

Riot: people don't like it when assassins out damage them... so what if we made everyone an assassin?

Thorn300011/25/2018, 9:09:10 AM2 votes

I would not revert it, for as you say the old was kinda broken anyway on some champs, instead I would try to fix the new one, all it really needs is

  • tweaking those numbers down more-so than the hotfix made
  • and making it less strong on ranged chars, currently it makes no sense that it doesn't have any limitation on ranged compared to melee when a slew of other runes have limitations to ranged chars, this causes abhorrent things with champs with easy poke or high AA ranges
Thefrostyviking11/22/2018, 1:49:28 PM1 votes

I mean i can basically 100 to 0 almost any marksman with zyra-.....with ignite, at 6 so i dont know if its only DH that is a problem.

Later i dont even need ignite x)

Metallikaiser11/22/2018, 3:25:07 PM1 votes

Its currently overtuned, which is also notably making it attractive to too much of the roster, especially looking at how its early damage compared to Electrocute isnt really losing anything. But I think the idea of an execute keystone is good, and it sure as hell is better then old DH which for the most part was literally just a one shot keystone.

PEEPEEPÖÖPÖÖ11/22/2018, 4:25:24 PM1 votes

I`m just gonna leave this here [sg-ahri-3]

https://gyazo.com/15ca42f4183d9ff31ad418f440cc5306

wolvius11/22/2018, 6:38:49 PM1 votes

Please no, I love my new trundle E pillar and jarvan flag damage.

Seriously though it needs a range limit, teemo shrooms from the other end of the map and things like zerath ult shouldnt get full damage, maybe also a per champ cooldown/damage-reduction so five people cant just nuke one person the moment they drop below 50%.

JAAAAAAAAAAAAYCE11/22/2018, 4:32:04 AM1 votes

Notice almost every champion used in that video is AP. So maybe nerf it on AP champions.

xXxG3tR3ktM8xXx7/4/2019, 8:40:51 PM1 votes

I know that this is old, but I can't upvote this enough...

Deathhawk88811/22/2018, 4:22:56 AM1 votes

Dark Harvest is so stupid now. Take it on Teemo and your already annoying poke is even worse. I even took it on Velkoz and literally killed a Jinx with nothing but E and 2 Qs because the proc did like 350 damage.

MasterDClone11/22/2018, 6:57:05 AM1 votes

I think it's to early to say whether it should or shouldn't be, as a shaco main i am kinda dissapointed with it jg, but it's fun when you play it in lane

Snaxo12/13/2018, 1:05:30 PM1 votes

yes, i need dh to be reverted