Thoughts on Master Yi's current state

RitoFixAlphaPls·12/8/2017, 11:53:25 AM·25 votes·2,936 views

I already wrote a post like this a few months ago,but i think that something needs to be done.

Hi guys i'm a high Diamond one trick pony Master Yi main in the EUW server and i want to talk about Yi's current state and how he got to this point.

I would like to start from patch 6.6 in which MasterYi Wuju Style got changed:

E- Wuju Style Active bonus true damage increased to 12 / 19 / 26 / 33 / 40 from 10 / 15 / 20 / 25 / 30 AD ratio changed to (+ 25% Bonus AD) from (+ 10 / 12.5 / 15 / 17.5 / 20% AD)

This change made it so that Bruiser Master Yi worked worse and Sterak's Gage was pretty much useless on him because of the BONUS AD scaling instead of TOTAL AD, this change was appropiate because back in 6.6 Yi had way too much damage only relying on Devourer/Rageblade.

In patch 6.8 Highlander also got nerfed:

R - Highlander COOLDOWN 75 seconds ⇒ 85 seconds DURATION 10 seconds ⇒ 7 seconds EXTENSION ON KILL OR ASSIST 4 seconds ⇒ 7 seconds

This made Yi a lot worse in splitpushing situations because 7 seconds weren't enough to 1v1 a tank and the higher cooldown on Highlander totally sucked.

I want to remind that these changes were done because Yi had way too much damage with Sated Devourer + Wuju Style and Guinsoo's Rageblade and i totally agree on that one,what i'm complaining about are the 6.9 changes.

In patch 6.9 Devourer got removed and replaced by Bloodrazor,followed by a complete rework of Rageblade,this turned yi into the lowest win rate jungler in the whole game. If Riot had in mind to remove Devourer and rework Rageblade,they shouldn't have nerfed Yi in the first place,because his Highlander and Wuju Style would have been balanced:what i'm saying is that the only reason Master Yi was overpowered was because of the items he built,not for the champion himself.

Now: Highlander/Wuju style changes haven't been reverted and nowadays Yi has a really hard time dealing with the other junglers. Master Yi has no gank potential in the early game,even if Yi is a "farming jungler" the jungle doesn't allow him to farm as much because of the high respawn timers and because of this he really struggles with having a decent early game.

Master Yi has so little pressure when compared to the other junglers,this used to be ok because we could compensate the lack of pressure/ganks with a lot of farm,just like Shyvana does nowadays(7.24).

I would really like the Highlander changes to be reverted so that MasterYi would become the splitpusher he used to be,with only 7 second Highlander he can't even 1v1 a tank. This problem also happens to be very hard to deal with when fighting stealth champions,Master Yi can't do anything to counter stealth,therefore u're forced to stand still and see your ultimate duration decreasing. Let's add the Alpha Strike bug to all of this and Yi becomes unplayable in the higher elos.

I know Riot has a really hard time balancing this champion because of the differences between the elos he is played in. However,Master Yi has a winrate below 50% in Bronze,Silver,and Gold. Finishing off with a winrate of roughly 45% in Diamond.(Source:OP.GG,patch7.24). I think that something needs to be done.

Make Yi great again.

37 Comments

Yisus8912/8/2017, 12:25:15 PM17 votes

He is in a bad state right now but he is also one of the most if not the most hated champion by the community. Even a balanced buff would trigger them at this point. They are just ignoring him for now and they will probably rework him oneday. ps. You forgot to mention the double strike bug

Onandaga12/8/2017, 3:26:20 PM8 votes

Yeah he is pretty weak tbh. Tanks/Juggernauts squash him before he can do enough damage while everybody else just insta-deletes him or kites out his highlander durations. He only does well when the enemy team is horribly mis-positioned and even then Yi NEEDS a gold lead to be able to do anything at all, otherwise he won't even be able to 1v1 a tank.

I really hate how hostile the community is towards Yi. Like whenever I post about how I like Yi or that he needs a buff I always get swarmed in downvotes. Perhaps its just those challenjour wannabee snobs releasing their salty tears over how they lost to a champ they think takes no skill to play, when in reality in there is still a huge difference between a bad Yi and a good Yi even though it may not be as obvious as someone like Zed or Yasuo.

130x12/8/2017, 4:48:33 PM6 votes

I have over 230k mastery on Master Yi.

I agree Yi needs a buff, however it should fall in his highlander movespeed. I have had many champions outrun me with an active q up, all disables dodges, and activated in melee range. Highlander should and used to stick hard but with the new hypermobility added it is very lacking. I lose a few low hp kills every game due to this and that sets a Yi back significantly which is where I feel this lower win % is coming from.

AR URF12/8/2017, 1:36:04 PM5 votes

master yi is a punishing champ if your team lacks cc.

RedPannda12/8/2017, 6:39:51 PM4 votes

You are wasting your time OP, everyone is biased against Yi because of how he was 5 years ago and they will never be open to considering his real issues. They are content to let him languish as a bronze stomper champ for eternity. It is the sad reality of the game.

Azadethe12/8/2017, 12:02:42 PM3 votes

Wtf are you smoking? Atm Yi is 1v5ing teams as long as he friggin has a mercurial. He has a low rate in diamond because he has a front loaded kit and they know how to punish it.

Lord Phazanor 12/8/2017, 2:17:50 PM3 votes

I used Yi to go from B4 to S1 before the end of Season. In low Elo he's alright as long as you go in AFTER the engage. As in, several seconds, after the enemies blew all their cds. After you ace them they're all like "ugh, Yi", "Typical Master Yi", etc etc. I guess in higher Elo they keep one or two hard cc just for you no matter what, so that doesn't work anymore.
Also Yi is deceptively difficult. You can first time him in Bronze and carry, but the more you play him, the more you realize he's actually complex and has lots of hidden stuff.

HalcyonDweller12/8/2017, 6:38:19 PM3 votes

Ok I hate Master Yi but this was really well written.

You didn't just lean on win-rates to make your argument, you also presented deep analysis of his kit and the items he builds/built, as well as how changes affected his ability to operate in the game.

Good analysis and solid explanation of the problems. +1 ...begrudgingly

[sg-lulu]

Ghiblar12/8/2017, 11:40:52 PM3 votes

I honestly just want riot to come out and say what they think about his state so i at least know that they somewhat care

Sasogwa12/8/2017, 5:07:40 PM2 votes

Well i suggested some changes but my post got ignored. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/nPQmLwKl-suggestions-to-make-yi-more-viable

But yeah imo, the ult needs to be reverted.

69019505DEL112/8/2017, 1:06:29 PM2 votes

MasterYi With the right positioning you can easily play him in Diamond+(Even if you all would think i have no right to talk about it).

GripaAviara12/8/2017, 3:20:45 PM2 votes

He is so Overpowered. I ban him every damn game. Every game. And when I don't, he goes 30/5. People in Gold and below don't know to close the game in 20 minutes or when they have the advantage! He is a super beast with 3 items

Crett12/8/2017, 2:20:18 PM2 votes

i don't play ranked, so you can take that into account if you want

i play yi a lot, and i think if there's something about yi that's holding him back is that people don't play crit yi, which turns him into a hyperscaling team assassinating abomination rivaled only by twitch, although similarly team reliant. will most of the time require team to set up openings and blow enemy CDs. may not work as well against very coordinated teams

item 3153 is a trap item on him in my opinion. a decent power bump early on, but delays important powerspikes blade of the ruined king isn't gonna dole out those nearly doubled damage crit Qs that take out huge chunks out of the enemy team's health, and bursting down is yi's best bet in teamfights, as he can maintain Q uptime in a way that can allow him to potentially just wipe out the entire enemy team on his own with only tiny windows for them to respond

item 3031 item 1001 item 3087 item 3046 item 3508 item 3812

and with builds like this i've killed a 4k hp 400 armor maokai in about 5 seconds (though thornmail nearly killed me)

BoilTheOil12/8/2017, 8:39:57 PM1 votes

Yi should get ult revert and maybe a second passive hes just so shitty

Death by Glamour12/9/2017, 12:53:07 AM1 votes

Hes falls into thw category of late game champ in an ever increasing early based game

SanKakU12/8/2017, 5:02:03 PM1 votes

I think his situation is better than it was before, the ultimate can refresh now which makes him better in team fights. He shouldn't be able to 1 vs 1 tanks easily and if he can do that then he can kill anyone he wants to at all.

If anything, he needs a nerf to Alpha Strike cooldown or the CDR from attacks on it. Not buffs.

RitoFixAlphaPls12/23/2017, 7:00:20 PM1 votes

Riot listened and Yi is going to get changed in patch 8.2,according to Meddler.