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MMR Issues

SteelMythDreamer·7/3/2019, 9:57:42 AM·1 votes·1,612 views

Okay. To be fair, I don’t want to sound like a rant, so I’m gonna ask for comments/feedback on whatever I did, and ask a couple things on MMR, since my base understanding of it might be lesser compared to those who actually study the scuffed MMR system that Rito has made. (But in all fairness, I am lowkey ranting and venting right now, but I’m trying to not sound like a generic player who says that they could be higher rank if their teams wasn’t holding them back. In any case, into the story.)

Okay to start off, the backstory of my League profile: I play in NA, and currently the rank of Gold IV, I’ve played League for only about less than a year and a half, and my current username being “For Rose.” I also “one trick” Azir. And I say that in quotations because I don’t consider myself a good enough to say that I one trick him, since one tricks are literal gods at the champ they’ve dedicated themselves to. Also to note, that I’m at about a 55% total ranked WR at this time. Now since I’m on break, I have free will to hard grind ranked since about, 3-4 weeks ago, which I had been doing. I was Silver III about that time, since I had carried myself out of Bronze for the second time of my League “career.”

At this time feel like my MMR was quite low because I hadn’t played ranked for awhile, so I was gaining much less than I was losing, making it very difficult to get out of Silver III, but had eventually did it. Then going from Silver II to Silver I, then to Gold IV was quite an easy trip. I was quite happy and hyped that I did hit Gold IV at last, my next mid term goal was to hit Plat IV, thinking it would be so hard because Gold IV players should at least be competent enough compared to Silver players, to which, my theory was right for the first three days of reaching Gold IV, players were competent. Roaming, rotating, actual ganks, counter building, outplaying, etc etc. I also ended up clashing with a few smurfs and other competent mid laners, which I was fine with, because I actually learned a few things when I played against them.

But, once this grace period ended, oh boy, was I in a world of pain. This began, late at night, at about 3 AM on a day I came home late on. I was kinda tired, but focused enough to actually play a game without actually doing stupid stuff. That’s when, I hit a 3-4 lose spree. I got off League, bothered. Not realizing that my MMR had dropped drastically because of it. After that faithful night, I was constantly paired with what I feel was, terrible teams, nothing near the competent players of Gold IV, I had once played with. I kept losing because of it, dropping my “last 20 games” WR on op.gg to about a 33%. Eventually after constantly losing my games, I decided to go top lane, since it was easier to snowball with just a kill or two. “Last 20 games” WR eventually returned back to a what almost stable, 40-45% WR, after spamming Darius and Poppy top. Though I was flamed here and there, I tended to win my games via split pushing. But my MMR never returned the same, remaining at about a high Silver II MMR, my LP losses was drastically higher than my gains, gain 13 on win - lose 19-20 on loss, and because of this, staying at 0 LP felt like an endless cycle. I’ve also went from a total ranked WR from 55% to now, a trash looking 53%. Luckily my demotion protection came into play, but it’s sad having to see the red triangle of caution haunting my profile, every time I come to look at my profile and see my rank of Gold IV, 0 LP. Now on my end, I know I’m not a bad player, because I had basically solo carried myself out of Bronze AND Silver. But I can firmly say that I’m not a good player either. Because I wouldn’t be having this MMR issue if I was a good player.

So I must ask... Firstly, does MMR truly drop that easily?

Secondly, is there an easier way to gain MMR? And don’t tell me that “win more than you lose,” thing. Because I have a total ranked WR of above 50% for a reason, and this is possibly why I haven’t been demoted out of Gold IV yet.

Thirdly, it states that my MMR is currently one of the significantly highest MMR for a Silver II player, but it feels like that my MMR is truly at about Silver III, due to the fact that I tend to get paired with at least one other Bronze I player, whom at times throw my games into the ground with the rest of my dreams, and other Silver III’s and II’s as well as one other Silver I or Gold IV. What is my MMR truly right now? I feels like I’ve gone deep down this rabbit hole of lacking MMR for my rank if I’m truly only gaining 13 LP and losing 19 or so.

Fourthly, I’m anxious of when my rank will finally demote due to my demotion protection finally running it. When will it expire? It keeps telling me it will, but it hasn’t yet. From what I heard, it’ll finally drop me out of Gold IV when I reach rock bottom of Silver IV MMR, but I could be wrong.

Also please, give any comments and such on what I should or can do to improve my gameplay... it feels quite undeserving to retain this MMR and halt my climb, but I suppose it just be like that sometimes.

6 Comments

MordridtheBlack7/3/2019, 10:37:46 AM3 votes

MMR is a weird fickle thing

It can be low even if you are in a high elo, or vice versa

We don't really know the full mechanics of it because it is a hidden system in the game we can't see

MMR isn't just based on your wins, there are myriads of factors involved

What are those? AskRiot cause only they know

Doleful Hare7/3/2019, 9:59:42 AM2 votes

Same.

GonahtanuGepardi7/3/2019, 10:39:43 AM2 votes

I also “one trick” Azir. And I say that in quotations because I don’t consider myself a good enough to say that I one trick him, since one tricks are literal gods at the champ they’ve dedicated themselves to.

Being a one trick has nothing to do with being good. One tricking literally only means that you are playing only one champion. Whether your are good or not is irrelevant.

But my MMR never returned the same, remaining at about a high Silver II MMR, my LP losses was drastically higher than my gains, gain 13 on win - lose 19-20 on loss, and because of this, staying at 0 LP felt like an endless cycle. I’ve also went from a total ranked WR from 55% to now, a trash looking 53%. Luckily my demotion protection came into play, but it’s sad having to see the red triangle of caution haunting my profile, every time I come to look at my profile and see my rank of Gold IV, 0 LP.

You said you are lucky that the demotion shield came into play but that's where you are wrong. The demotion shield is what allows this problem of yours to occur. When you lose games at 0 LP, you don't demote or lose any LP but you will lose mmr in the background. This cause you to gain less LP on wins and lose more on losses. It's a flaw in the system. It tries to get you faster to the rank you "belong" in but at the same time it is preventing that from happening via demotion shield.

Secondly, is there an easier way to gain MMR? And don’t tell me that “win more than you lose,” thing. Because I have a total ranked WR of above 50% for a reason, and this is possibly why I haven’t been demoted out of Gold IV yet.

The total win rate is actually pretty irrelevant. As you said yourself, your total win rate is going down. You could have over 50% wi n rate but if you start losing on 0LP, you can have a bad mmr despite the positive win rate so it can be very deceiving.

The win more than you lose - part is not really true either. All you have to do is simply play the game and it will fix itself. It will take a long time though. As an example, it took me 200 games to fix my mmr this season. I had duo'd like 95% of my games on this account, my mmr had gotten bad and then i played alone so i could fix it and it took 200 games. However, on another account in a similar situation, i fixed my mmr a lot faster by duoing with a person who had a higher mmr than i did (I am a better player than him so the games weren't any harder for me so i wasn't a burden). The games i had duo'd before were with a person worse than me and with a worse mmr than me. That naturally lead to a bad win rate and bigger mmr losses for me.

This advice might be hard to use though as it usually means that the person with worse mmr is worse than the player with higher mmr so usually the person with the worse mmr is just a burden and makes the games harder to win (Duoing already makes it harder for your team to win by default, Riot's system does that intentionally). My friend knows I am better than he is so it wasn't a problem for him at all to play with me.

If you play with a person who has a higher mmr than you that means the games you are put in are higher mmr games. That means the game doesn't expect you to win. That means if you do win, you gain a lot of mmr and if you lose, you lose less mmr because you weren't expect to win to begin with.

Also please, give any comments and such on what I should or can do to improve my gameplay... it feels quite undeserving to retain this MMR and halt my climb, but I suppose it just be like that sometimes.

As a general advice I suggest you stop one tricking azir before you have all the basics of the game down. Play an easier champion that doesn't take much mechanical skill so you can learn the fundamentals first. It's your decision if you want to be an OTP or not but that would make climbing easier and faster. Final advice, Don't try to look at any sites telling you what your mmr is. It's not correct information. Riot doesn't share information about mmr with anyone so the sites can't know your mmr. Just look at your LP gains and you will know if your mmr is good or not. If you gain more than you lose, you have a higher mmr than it should be in your rank. If you gain the same amount you lose per game, your mmr is equal to your rank. If your gain less than you lsoe, your mmr is lower than it should be (so you are technically higher rank than you should be.

I don't know why riot doesn't make mmr and ranks go hand in hand. The visible rank serves no purpose since it doesn't accurately represent your skill. The mmr is what represents skill.

EzPzLemonSqueasy7/27/2019, 2:58:04 PM1 votes

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Okay. To be fair, I don’t want to sound like a rant, so I’m gonna ask for comments/feedback on whatever I did, and ask a couple things on MMR, since my base understanding of it might be lesser compared to those who actually study the scuffed MMR system that Rito has made. (But in all fairness, I am lowkey ranting and venting right now, but I’m trying to not sound like a generic player who says that they could be higher rank if their teams wasn’t holding them back. In any case, into the story.)

Okay to start off, the backstory of my League profile: I play in NA, and currently the rank of Gold IV, I’ve played League for only about less than a year and a half, and my current username being “For Rose.” I also “one trick” Azir. And I say that in quotations because I don’t consider myself a good enough to say that I one trick him, since one tricks are literal gods at the champ they’ve dedicated themselves to. Also to note, that I’m at about a 55% total ranked WR at this time. Now since I’m on break, I have free will to hard grind ranked since about, 3-4 weeks ago, which I had been doing. I was Silver III about that time, since I had carried myself out of Bronze for the second time of my League “career.”

At this time feel like my MMR was quite low because I hadn’t played ranked for awhile, so I was gaining much less than I was losing, making it very difficult to get out of Silver III, but had eventually did it. Then going from Silver II to Silver I, then to Gold IV was quite an easy trip. I was quite happy and hyped that I did hit Gold IV at last, my next mid term goal was to hit Plat IV, thinking it would be so hard because Gold IV players should at least be competent enough compared to Silver players, to which, my theory was right for the first three days of reaching Gold IV, players were competent. Roaming, rotating, actual ganks, counter building, outplaying, etc etc. I also ended up clashing with a few smurfs and other competent mid laners, which I was fine with, because I actually learned a few things when I played against them.

But, once this grace period ended, oh boy, was I in a world of pain. This began, late at night, at about 3 AM on a day I came home late on. I was kinda tired, but focused enough to actually play a game without actually doing stupid stuff. That’s when, I hit a 3-4 lose spree. I got off League, bothered. Not realizing that my MMR had dropped drastically because of it. After that faithful night, I was constantly paired with what I feel was, terrible teams, nothing near the competent players of Gold IV, I had once played with. I kept losing because of it, dropping my “last 20 games” WR on op.gg to about a 33%. Eventually after constantly losing my games, I decided to go top lane, since it was easier to snowball with just a kill or two. “Last 20 games” WR eventually returned back to a what almost stable, 40-45% WR, after spamming Darius and Poppy top. Though I was flamed here and there, I tended to win my games via split pushing. But my MMR never returned the same, remaining at about a high Silver II MMR, my LP losses was drastically higher than my gains, gain 13 on win - lose 19-20 on loss, and because of this, staying at 0 LP felt like an endless cycle. I’ve also went from a total ranked WR from 55% to now, a trash looking 53%. Luckily my demotion protection came into play, but it’s sad having to see the red triangle of caution haunting my profile, every time I come to look at my profile and see my rank of Gold IV, 0 LP. Now on my end, I know I’m not a bad player, because I had basically solo carried myself out of Bronze AND Silver. But I can firmly say that I’m not a good player either. Because I wouldn’t be having this MMR issue if I was a good player.

So I must ask... Firstly, does MMR truly drop that easily?

Secondly, is there an easier way to gain MMR? And don’t tell me that “win more than you lose,” thing. Because I have a total ranked WR of above 50% for a reason, and this is possibly why I haven’t been demoted out of Gold IV yet.

Thirdly, it states that my MMR is currently one of the significantly highest MMR for a Silver II player, but it feels like that my MMR is truly at about Silver III, due to the fact that I tend to get paired with at least one other Bronze I player, whom at times throw my games into the ground with the rest of my dreams, and other Silver III’s and II’s as well as one other Silver I or Gold IV. What is my MMR truly right now? I feels like I’ve gone deep down this rabbit hole of lacking MMR for my rank if I’m truly only gaining 13 LP and losing 19 or so.

Fourthly, I’m anxious of when my rank will finally demote due to my demotion protection finally running it. When will it expire? It keeps telling me it will, but it hasn’t yet. From what I heard, it’ll finally drop me out of Gold IV when I reach rock bottom of Silver IV MMR, but I could be wrong.

Also please, give any comments and such on what I should or can do to improve my gameplay... it feels quite undeserving to retain this MMR and halt my climb, but I suppose it just be like that sometimes.

I have the same problems. Im gold 4 aswell. I have about a 49%-51% wr. Im hardstuck g4 gaining 16lp per win and 19lp per loss.