How do you deal with jgs when your in top? I hate them.

Yara0·4/27/2019, 5:06:33 PM·8 votes·9,032 views

Like they show up when i have no wards kill me once and then im fucked. Even when i ward its still a problem.

I know the answer is for the team to do drake and pressure bot.... but its solo queue so expecting that to happen isn't very reliable.

I dont ask for ganks either cause i know how low of a priority ganking top is. But i hate when i get my shit camped and were still down in dragons or bots not getting pressured.

Little update. My champion pool atm is And (but he feels like trash in this meta).

I dont really play the hard ad assassin carries Mostly cause i just don't find them fun. Though i think and could be fun if i could figure out playing them and when to pick them. TBH what to pick into what or what to pick when i have to blind pick is something im still learning after role switching.

36 Comments

Moody P4/27/2019, 5:08:04 PM12 votes

Play like a bitch until you're strong because your jungle will never help you

Give up CS to let them push the wave and try to freeze it right before the tower; if not possible then just last hit under turret

Düff McWhalen4/27/2019, 5:24:04 PM6 votes

Look at the mini map. It's literally that easy.

Maybe it's cause I'm a jungle main, but I always have a general feel of where a jungler is at or going to be based on the champion pick, their clear start, and their first gank.

As a top secondary, I have a plan for every kind of jungler start;

-If level 2 Ganker: I freeze lane and let enemy push and wait until i get a visual on the enemy jungler's position.

-If they likely start at the top red or blue buff: Same as first plan.

-If it's a jungler with weak early game: Push hard as fuck and get a deep ward in river or in the jungle behind baron pit and watch mini map.

In General, I play as good as I can with the intention of drawing the jungler to my lane. If he camps me I can handle that because I've jungled for a long time. The more time they spend trying to kill me is farm they are deprived of and assistance their lanes are deprived of. AND they leech experience from their solo laner causing them to lose levels. All this happens by you simply letting them do it!

TLDR; Learn "jungle sense", and exploit a camping enemy jungler to your advantage. Don't think of it as you being hampered, think of it as YOU hampering THEM.

Crescent Dusk4/28/2019, 9:23:59 AM3 votes

Hope you get the better jungler. That's all there is to it.

I had a game where the douchebag wanted to start red, forces me to leash for her, then never comes back to lane again after she's put me at a CS and xp disadvantage for arriving to my lane late.

Top lane is way jg reliant. Play mid or bot lane if you want options.

This is because top lane is the only true 99% melee lane in the game, and that means that if you lost lane you are completely zoned off CS or risk dying.

If I lose lane mid on Annie/Lux/Malzahar, I can still last hit from range. I might get poked down and be forced to back, but I can still get CS.

This simply will not happen in top lane because you HAVE to put yourself in engagement range to CS. It's by far the most snowball heavy lane in the game with jungler being the other one.

Daddy Ants4/28/2019, 10:36:31 AM3 votes

The worst part is when the enemy Jungler is camping you but your other lanes are still somehow losing.

Warlord Dienekes4/28/2019, 1:23:53 PM2 votes

My process has always been:

Curse Riot for their attempt to make “Top less of an island” a few years back. I liked my private island thank you very much.
Ward better. Learn which enemy jungler attacks by which angle. Cough up the dough to get more wards.
if being camped never push your wave past the mid point, probably not even there.
if camped and now your lane opponent can crush you, hide like a bitch under tower. Ward more defensively. Pray that the rest of your team takes advantage of an open map, because you certainly won’t be doing much to help win the game.

Jerry SeinfeId4/27/2019, 8:28:37 PM2 votes

Gnar Sit back and farm, harass when you're sure you can't get ganked. Keep your hop and always try to bounce it. You should be safe that way. Gnar can easily dominate a lane though, so if possible play towards that. If not ust try to win teamfights, you're capable of turning the tide heavily. Gnar is gonna be a champ with really high highs and really low lows in soloQ tho.

Teemo Lock of your lane. That's your land, they're gonna have to invest in keeping it shroom free. In my experience after the second failed gank junglers give up as it's a hassle to gank teemo. IF on the red side, make sure to keep the little path shroomed up.

I don't really play the other 2 and honestly barely play gnar anymore because he needs his team to watch his passive and well he's weak cuz of pro play. I have some experience with yorick tho. Best tip i can give is: you'll beat anyone if the maiden is up, and noone when she ain't up.

also: Singed kill em both.

Greenette4/27/2019, 7:29:53 PM1 votes

If you have a bad sense for where the enemy jungler is, just watch where yours is going. For the first 5 mins or so they will have a very similar path, if you're blue side and pushed always ward at 3 mins since a jungler with be lvl 3 with red around that time.

If your jungler steals all the enemy camps on your side of the map, expect the enemy to gank or invade. He has nothing else to do and will poke his nose into enemy territory to salvage gold.

If you get ganked when you're 6 and the enemy jungler isn't, turn on him immediately. A lot of times the jungler will lead the gank, meaning your enemy is out of range and has to walk up to you. Unload as much damage onto the jungler as you can while keeping distance from enemy top. This works for me often enough and deters the jungler from ever coming back. It might be harder with Gnar and Ornn but still a decent tactic.

Garen is really fun and decently strong right now. Can survive the horrible monsters of top, and win, if you know how to be patient.

roughvan4/27/2019, 7:49:06 PM1 votes

With the champions you play as a jungle main i can tell you that i'd gank top because they mostly don't have good escapes. Junglers pay attention to champion picks, if i see an enemy jax picked and i have jayce top, i'll camp the hell out of top because if my top falls behind, it is pretty much lost game, even though it is very hard for jayce to lose but if the enemy jungler ganks, it is possible.

If you play vladimir top for example, you may not see as many ganks unless you die to the first one. Just because of his pool junglers are less likely to gank or even focus that lane mostly because bot is really too important in current meta and if they gank and you don't die, they lose so much pressure that they could've put on bot side, if enemy jungler ganks bot and gets double kill during that time, they will take the dragon.

MuffledGarbage4/27/2019, 9:50:35 PM1 votes

As Yorick you have literally one option:

Farm till you hit level 6 and item 3057

After you get both of these you can proceed to 2v1 any 2 champions in the game, provided you started maxing Q.

Around999People4/27/2019, 9:58:05 PM1 votes

Ornn feels so strong for me lol. Went from silver 4 to nearly silver 2 with like 15 games won and 4 lost before I lost my groove.

Anyways:

Watch minions and the map. If you know you're getting camped don't push out past the middle of the lane. Try to have him always pushing to you so his jg doesnt get a window in.
Before enemy jg ganks top for the first time, if you're minions are pushed in and he's MIA, hover significantly back. It depends on matchup, but you want to be just inside xp range and far enough away to force your top to flash for you if they wanna make a play. Jg will be a lot weaker than you, so if their top is late on the engage or doesn't come at all you can usually just walk away.
Farm. If you have a massive gold lead on your top and you have him really low, his jg wont see it as a good gank

SgtAwesomeness4/27/2019, 11:49:23 PM1 votes

i keep tabs on the jg.

"Oh I see him mid and hes fighting i've got time" or "Hmmmmm idk where he went"

its always helpful to ask your team if they know where he is currently

AnotherFeeder4/28/2019, 12:39:20 AM1 votes

Ima help u narrow down which responses were real and which were people not knowing what their talking about giving advice. Duffs was the best advice i saw. U dont want to play like a bitch in solo q because then ur never going to get better, or be a hard carry player. U also dont want to waste money on pink wards, people playing tanks can buy pinks but no one does that anymore, carry top laners should not spent more the a very minimal amount of gold on pinks, pref none at all. Pink wards actually help very little in the long lane , and coat u 75 gold to give a free 30 gold to the enemy.

What u do need to develop is knowledge of how different kinds of junglers work, the ones that level 2 gank, the ones that rush 6, the ones that gank to get lanes ahead and the ones that gank to get themselves ahead. Know most junglers start red, but keep an eye out for which side leashed. Dont go for a level 2 fight if u know enemy jg started topside. Know what kind of fights u win considering ur matchup, enemy jg, and ur jg, and if u know theyre topside, try and get ur jg to stand by if u win the 2v2 and bait out a gank.

This is kinda rambly i know, but just basically trying to get at that theres alot of knowledge based things laners need to know about junglers to be able to deal with them in solo q, and its not simple and wjll take awhile to learn. But often times silvers/golds will lose a side of the map, and fk their jungles bcuz they played the matchup poorly and didnt communicate with their jungles, and then leave the match thinking better jg wins. And it happens, but its not always the case. And once u get to the point of being behind that the jg doesnt think you win the 2v2, they should not be playing around ur lane, bcuz theyll just be helping to snowball enemy lead by being there dying.

Hemulen Magi4/28/2019, 2:13:41 AM1 votes

Yorick use your W to wall them off and run. You might get a chance to land E to help escape. Ornn use your pillar to block them, and actually most of your abilities can help you retreat. Teemo and mini Gnar are supposed to get destroyed if caught pushed up in a gank at top lane as a downside for them being ranged since they can often poke and bully melees with impunity if they get a lead (which they normally would) otherwise.

Light Burner4/28/2019, 2:19:44 AM1 votes

If the jungler isnt on the map always assume theyre coming to gank your lane. If you do this you'll always be safe and when the jungler is on the map you can play more aggressively.

SilentBomber4/28/2019, 3:47:23 AM1 votes

I main Top lane as Jax.I got 1 mil mastery points with him so this is what i'm gonna advise you.

Honestly your champion's pool is really small and it's hard to carry with these champions.

**Start playing some hyper carries that scale hard mid/late game.**If you get an Assassin like jungler you can play something tankier.Singed is a good champion to play as he is my second main and is really good with the recent buffs.
DO NOT EXPECT YOUR JUNGLER TO HELP YOU.I recently moved back to East server from west due to getting matched with bad junglers game after game.Got demoted 2 times from Platinum with this poor matchmaking.
Focus on getting LVL 2 first. If your jungler comes for top scuttle be sure to assist him as it's one of the key points on laning phase.I Died so many times to learn that trust me.
**If the enemy's jungler ganks you twice in 1-2 minutes that means he prioritized your lane.**Especially when your bot lane is pressured,do not expect to farm safely.
**When you are first pick,it's better to pick a ranged Champion without the stress of getting countered.**Pick Urgot or Jayce and farm.Gnar is also a good champion but his clear is slow.After all the minion changes i would never pick him because of his slow clear as mini gnar.
SAVE YOUR TP ALWAYS. 1 Teleport can change the tide of the whole match in this meta.It's always better to save it to help your bot/mid lane than going back to your lane.For that,be sure to always push your lane before any other action.

Fiora is a champion that requires so much time to learn.Camille,though i never played her seems easier to learn.Whatever you play,pay attention to your team's composition.Sometimes you can lose games because of it.

Haze974/28/2019, 2:05:18 PM1 votes

My advice is to not play top lane, but if you're gonna play it anyway you either pick a champ like Renekton who can 1v2, or you don't ever cross the river and give up CS in hopes of farming under tower.

This is bad because -

You're giving up on CS and unless you're against an immobile champ such as Darius giving up too much creep score will allow your opponent to easily dive you with his jungler after a point.
You're going to have to lube your ass and bend over the moment your opponent picks a scaling champ such as or , in which case if your jungler doesn't counterjungle you're going to have to be overly reliant on bot to carry and that's honestly a toss up in solo queue.

Giving up cs and perhaps even your turret under heavy dives by jg/mid roams is your best option, but in this meta of turret plating it isn't going to allow you to catch up very fast and make you overly reliant on mid/bot for the time being.

Top lane is riddled with balance issues, probably the most vulnerable to ganks, and there isn't a single role in the game which is weaker or less influential than the island. Don't even play it if you wanna constantly influence your games early-mid.

MasterDClone4/29/2019, 2:22:07 AM1 votes

most junglers avoid teemo past 6, and yorick. gnar has a free escape, and ornn is a free kill . learn the matchups and learn jgler strengths

Beerstein4/27/2019, 5:09:08 PM1 votes

As a jungler, pink ward, when it's killed, pink ward again. Odds are I'll avoid the lane mostly if you do. The reason being it takes time for me to walk up there just to kill a ward and leave. If you're dying as your post implies, even 3 pink wards will cost less than you'll give an enemy by dying.

If you can win your lane head to head (and protect the ward from your opponent in lane), then it's always worth it. If you can't, the problem goes much deeper.

As a jungler, I like to babysit top, its usually easy to get them fed into snowball then leave them alone. If pink wards keep popping up though, as long as you green ward the other half I'm not wasting my time.

Also, if you have ghost poro, a green ward at the enemy jg exit/blue area can last quite some time and alert you when the enemy JG is near.

From the bottom side, a neat trick is to sneak in and put a pink across from the enemy red buff (in the bush across the way in front of it) if you have good map awareness, you'll see the enemy every time he's near his red, and it usually lasts a very long time. This alerts you to every time he's top side, and when to be cautious.

The alternative (if you're top) is to ward the entrance to the enemy JG (bottom of the brush near wolves entrance from mid lane) with a pink and you can usually see when their JG is roaming around that side of the jungle. Also rarely cleared.

Neither tell you when they're ganking, but they do tell you when to play cautious, as well as usually a good indicator of when you can play recklessly, which is even more valuable tbh.

heroikc4/27/2019, 5:56:52 PM1 votes

Not sure; I'm actually surprised that I managed to keep up with my opponent after being ganked 5-6 times without my jungle batting an eye to help. And this is with Urgot.

Torkl4/27/2019, 6:33:11 PM1 votes

Youd be surprised how many jglers you can just shit in the face and kill before their toplaner has even reacted, jgl is so weak now so top is extremely risky to gank

Vlada Cut4/27/2019, 7:10:17 PM1 votes

Depends.

radetari4/27/2019, 7:12:16 PM1 votes

Let me tell you a story about Mordekaiser He was ONCE ganked by the enemy jungler (notice how I said once) He used W and Q on the jungler while being attacked by him and the enemy toplaner He healed with W and killed a squishy jungler and survived a gank or just bursted him high enough for the jungler's brain to get overloaded and he gives up while he can

But seriously now... If you face a tanky toplaner as Morde and have ult up and u see u are getting ganked, do this:

Wait for the enemy jungler and toplaner to approach u
Use your ult on the tanky toplaner to get healed for the duration
Use W and E, and then Q right after E
Get healed even more from second W proc (u choose when it procs)
Kill them both or one of them, either is fine
???????????
Profit

Tip: If facing a Malzahar/Zyra/Elise/Yorick any champ that spawns little helpers, you will heal to full hp by using W on those little critters (allies included). Same goes with jungle monsters, especially Raptors and Crugs

In lategame, a simple E + Ignite + R combo will be enough to oneshot any squishy if these items are built: item 3151 item 3116 item 3135 Sometimes, Void Staff isn't even needed

As a mastery level 7 Morde I guarantee only good results