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Did support Senna get nerfed in patch 10.3? (cannon minions Senna DOESN'T kill)

Zreylynx·2/12/2020, 8:41:29 PM·2 votes·1,911 views

I know the 10.3 nerf was targeting ADC Senna, but it may have nerfed support Senna as well. My main question is: What is the current mist drop rate for cannon minions Senna DOESN'T kill?

It used to be 100% drop rate whether or NOT she killed them, and now it seems that has been nerfed to a 25% drop rate when she DOESN'T kill them. This results in an overall nerf to support Senna even including her 5% increase to minion drop rate overall.

Some quick math: (just looking at later game minion waves with a guaranteed cannon minion) 3 caster minions + 3 melee minions + 1 cannon minion = 6 non-cannon + 1 cannon Old drop rate (not killing): (6 x 20%) + (1 x 100%) = 2.2 average mists per wave New drop rate (not killing): 7 x 25% = 1.75 average mists per wave

This is a 0.45 mist decrease per wave which is about 1 less mist per minute. This is pretty significant and with my rough estimation means about 15 less mist stacks at 30 minutes for support Senna.

Are my calculations correct? Can someone test out the drop rate for cannon minions Senna DOESN'T kill? (I would test this out myself, but I don't have Senna)

Thank you all for reading!

15 Comments

IVSakenz2/12/2020, 8:45:35 PM1 votes

yes..it went down to a 1.67% chance iirc

SSmotzer2/12/2020, 8:50:44 PM1 votes

It's a nerf to Senna's who build item 3858 item 3854 and play it safe behind their marksmen and get gold from minions, as less ghouls spawn for them. Meanwhile it is a buff to Senna's who build item 3862 item 3850 and need to get into attack range in order to get gold, as more ghouls spawn for them.

It's a risk vs reward balance patch.

Malix Farwin2/12/2020, 9:01:16 PM1 votes

Its a buff to normal builds senna support and a nerf to ADC Senna. You are getting about 25% more souls than you used to.

Kazekiba2/12/2020, 9:16:40 PM1 votes

Isnt it still 100% if she's killing them with item 3854 or not killing it? I'll check patch notes and edit my reply.

I dont think support senna was supposed to be nerfed, and missing a guaranteed soul every 3 waves is a lot of value lost.

Alright, so here's the phrasing;

25% on minions Senna doesn't kill, 1.67% on cannon minions Senna kills

This means if caster and melee minions die near Senna, 1 in every 4 (about 3 every other wave in total) should drop a soul. Cannon minions will always, unless Senna kills them, drop one. If Senna kills every cannon minion, only 1 out of about 60 is expected to drop a soul. If she somehow is near 60 cannon minion deaths, I would assume all 60 of them would drop wraiths provided Senna kills none of them without Steel Shoulderguards

Deez Crits2/12/2020, 9:33:03 PM1 votes

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