Do large skill gaps CREATE toxic players?

legendarytiger·7/30/2016, 1:10:58 AM·9 votes·1,275 views

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/RAr1Bl26-an-experiment-for-the-boards-related-to-current-ranked-matchmaking-any-are-welcome-to-participate

this experiment prompted me to consider the ramifications of ranked games (or normal) with a high-to-medium frequency of large skill gaps on league players.

that is kind of a mouthful, but i will elaborate...

with a hypothetical ranked game between G 1, 4, S 1, 2, & 4 and G 4, 4, 5, 5, & S 2

this is the ranked game http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/upecpYHB-platinum-promos-places-me-with-three-silvers this player had for his plat promos on the 28th of july, 2016 (aka yesterday)

with a gap in rank there comes a gap in knowledge or understanding of the game (assuming the player isn't boosted) so when a diamond ranked player makes a mistake that diamond ranked players usually make, the other diamond players will be somewhat understanding, altho they'll likely point it out, and said player will know they made a mistake and try to avoid it in the future. a silver ranked player might not even recognize that same exact mistake as such, and could make it several times during the game, and other silvers likely will not recognize the mistake as such, and would likely blame the "op champ," other players for not helping in time, simply think it was luck-related, or some other completely wrong reason... but if other silvers don't recognize the mistake, they would still remain fairly understanding.

when team 1 has one g1 player and most of the rest silver ranked players, there will be situations where mistakes will go unnoticed by half the team, and the g1 will point out the mistake, and request that it not be repeated or give advice to prevent it from happening again. even though he might not understand how someone could even make such a mistake, after all, "this is gold, not bronze". and he could get very negative responses for this friendly tip to improve their chances at winning: the other silver players defend and/or flame the g1 for pointing out the mistake, call g1 a toxic player, threaten to report him after the 1st comment g1 has made (not likely, but it has happened to me)... rinse-lather-repeat: this happens 3 times in the 53 min game (it's much more likely that many more mistakes happened in such a long game) and by the end of the game half the team is convinced the other half is trolling/toxic, and they may be right. on the other hand, if the g1 player makes a common higher rank gold mistake, the silver players wont realize why it was a mistake, and will attribute it to other things, sometimes assuming the g1 is simply feeding, and they attempt to help the g1 with friendly advice (which doesn't address the issue) and the g1 player tells them that isn't what went wrong, the real mistake was [such and such] and the silver players may see the right of it, but more likely will disagree, and both parties will assume the other doesn't know what they're talking about.

this is the average scenario. most players, with as much of a rank gap as these team mates have, will experience this same pattern regardless of the game outcome. both sides (the g1 side and the silver side) will be more toxic than they normally would be during this game. they might become more toxic in the future due to this game. there toxicity levels might increase exponentially with more games with such high skill disparity.

assume that all of the players have extremely high tolerance levels and are much much more patient than average: the outcome would be very different, but it would greatly tax each player emotionally/mentally from using so much willpower to resist calling people stupid, or bad at league, for 53 mins straight. then they may play more games, with reduced vigor/willpower, and wont be so forgiving next game. maybe it only be 1 or 2 negative comments. maybe they will just silently rage in their rooms. maybe they will post in the boards to let others see how frustrating their situation is. in either case, the games that follow the 1st extremely taxing ranked game will cause them to be more "toxic" than they were before. imagine if they played 5 more games with the same skill disparity... imagine if they played 10, 20, 30, 100 games with such a skill disparity.

they would become toxic players, constantly pointing out mistakes with a bit of venom in their tips. if you've read this far, you should understand the point i have made:

** TL;DR**: games where there is a large skill-gap between teammates CAUSE TOXIC PLAYERS because there is a gap in understanding the fundamentals of the game, which creates animosity.

if you doubt this, please say so, and i would be happy to further explain why it's true. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

25 Comments

xxxDogmanxxx7/30/2016, 1:58:21 AM4 votes

This happens in Diamond too. Our Leona was a lone plat 5 duoing with his diamond friend. We thought it was a 3v3 fight, only for our Leona to stand there pathfinding like an idiot AT FULL HEALTH AND MANA watching his two carries (with me being one of them) die. He then runs away at full health and mana having contributed nothing to the fight. When I asked why he didn't even attempt to go in and peel for us, he said "I was just gonna die there, there were three of them."

Inside, I was like "motherfucker, there were three of US too!" but of course, I knew better than to waste time typing, since he wouldn't have understood anyway that what he did was wrong.

Zelnick7/30/2016, 1:22:53 AM3 votes

Nope, players choose to be toxic because they are sore losers/winners.

Reaper Soraka7/30/2016, 1:40:45 AM3 votes

I think I nearly tilted my plat adc in my last game. I was always off doing my thing every so often (placing a Zz'rot portal to split push for us) but he would constantly click the question mark ping on me and assist near him.

Pretty sure he said he was going to afk if another player took red again (I think the player who did take red was gold top)

SO my conclusion, although after a small sample-- yes. A large skill gap makes players who know better tilt because they believe something is common knowledge, and the lower skill hasn't a clue why that strategy/concept is so important. I sure didn't understand why they couldn't wait another 10 seconds for me to arrive. But he, the masters mid, and the diamond jungle probably knew why.

Papa Slothy7/30/2016, 4:15:10 PM2 votes

nice experiment +1

inplane7/30/2016, 7:35:33 PM2 votes

I usually see Smurfs acting like they know everything and they usually flaunt their skill towards the clearly disadvantaged players who were unfortunate enough to face them. They're sore in almost every way. If they win, they taunt and try to piss off people who are actually trying to play. If they lose, they completely lose it and unleashes hell on everyone in the game.

It's also pretty obvious to see who is a Smurf. I play against them, make a guess, check their profile afterwards, and a lot of the times I was right on my guess. Unless someone is born ready to play League, there is no way an account with no border can reach Plat in one season.

Nick Da Chip7/30/2016, 1:55:46 AM2 votes

I feel like toxic people are toxic. The reason OP stated is probably one of the largest reasons people start to become toxic, but if that person isn't toxic to begin with I doubt they will become that toxic.

darkestkhan7/30/2016, 12:10:14 PM2 votes

It is a bit more complicated - large skill gap may cause team to flame the other player. I main teemo top and sometimes I get matched with b1 player - in such case usually I get fed so much that I have no idea what to do with gold, while preventing the opponent from farming [you know, something like 4 kills and 100 cs difference by 20:00 or so]. He might have picked panth due to "panth counters teemo" but if one is teemo main then one just knows how to deal with panth. And then they (panth) lose lane and get flamed... but it is not their fault that they, b1, got matched vs s2... this creates environment prone to toxic behaviors. And once you get 10 games like that almost in row then you can't help it but be tilted and intentionally losing [as a sort of "reset" for tilt].

deadlychuck7/30/2016, 2:05:15 AM1 votes

I really don't have time to read it right now... bookmarked.

I will say this though, the most toxic I've seen people is when i leveled up a smurf. I saw other smurfs loosing their shit on new players.

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