Questions for All Y'all ADCS :)

Junsui Aoi·8/8/2016, 6:35:53 PM·14 votes·2,704 views

Yo ADCs out there :D

I'm a support main, been one since....ah, season 3, when I started. :3 I'm working on getting better at support so I want to see, what really helps and hinders you in the bot lane, and to better see things from your perspective (adc is my second role, but I still see things from a supports view if I'm honest with myself)

So my two questions for you are:

#What is your favorite thing supports do for you in lane/after laneing phase?

#What is your least favorite thing you see support do during/after laneing phase?

Hopefully I can pick up a few things to work on and think about! Thanks for your time, and best of luck in the rift~ [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

44 Comments

Azure Hamster8/8/2016, 6:53:27 PM7 votes

I don't like when the supp:

Hits minions. It messes up my brain's timers for maximizing my CS. If we need to push hard, then of course it's the right thing to do. But under ordinary circumstances, don't be hitting minions.
Does not ward the river bush. And does not ask me to ward it if they don't have a ward.
Engages, and gets mad when I don't follow if I think we'll die. This could be partially my fault, if I underestimate the strength of our position. But when this does happen, please don't go mid because "the adc won't work with me". I'm guessing you don't do that, since you're the kind of player to ask for help.

I do like when the supp:

Pings a target before engaging.
Helps the whole team with vision.
Regularly pings to show where they're going (like a warning ping if they're roaming mid, or going further than usual in river warding).
Only engages when we'll get a kill if we both go in. Knowing you can trust your support with good engages is a huge, huge help.
Knows how to pick targets during engages.

Caitlyn

Guyy Fieri8/8/2016, 6:47:57 PM5 votes

My favorite thing that my support can do in lane is get lane pressure to zone the ADC off of the minion wave. That basically gives me the ability to freeze the wave and work my way into a large CS lead. That will help me to snowball leads into item advantages and then we can pick the fights we want.

Post laning, phase...warding. I've played with too many supports who don't understand the importance of vision and when they do understand it and do keep flanks warded, I'm happy.

My least favorite thing for my support to do during lane is not respect my power spikes. There are many times where I'm either playing a scaling ADC and just want to farm up or we got behind in lane and I just need to farm becausw I'm behind. Some supports will still all in and push for that when will lose the 2v2 every time because their ADC just does more damage.

Post laning phase, as long as the supports are warding up nothing really irks me too much. If they get caught out warding, at least it was just the support and most support players I play know how to team fight well enough that they can successfully engage/peel for me (based on what we need).

Little Paws8/8/2016, 9:07:13 PM3 votes

My favorite thing that supports do for me is ping danger. I have so many things I'm watching [minions, the other two opponents, the health of my other teammates to get a grasp on who's going to be a problem late game, my ward cooldowns, my skill cooldowns, so on and so forth) that I occasinally miss someone literally walk into lane via the bush I just warded. While I know that's bad map awareness on me, having a support that pings is a godsend.

My least favorite thing supports do is be extremely aggressive early in the game. I main kog'maw, I do not outdamage the other adc and support at level 3. I will follow you in, because it would be ignorant for me not to in most cases, but please don't D:. I want to farm, I want to stay back and finish my first item and then kill them. Stahp

Tobias Brackner8/8/2016, 8:07:46 PM2 votes

Supports ain't the Marksman's slave, you are the team's Support.

Go in hard and roam hard.

A Doorknob8/8/2016, 8:53:27 PM2 votes

I like it when my support stays near me or at least parallel from me so you're always nearby. I also like it when you are my eyes on the mini map. I prefer you to be on the river side so if JG attacks, you are first in line, and since you are the 1 with the CC this will usually give US time to run away. I as well enjoy it when you aggro the other team, smartly. Too many times have I see guys go ham and lose 3/4 of their hp for no reason. As well, If there is an enemy Blitz/Tresh, I enjoy it when you play the role as interceptor so they cannot go ham on me as an ADC. Too many times have I had a blitz walk up to me and my supp just watches and eats popcorn. Stand between us and tell him to fuck off as we both let him know that we are dangerous and we cannot simply be approached because we are a team. I depend on you, you depend on me.

bleufromage8/9/2016, 8:52:24 PM2 votes

So there are the obvious things like not hitting minions and warding. But I don't like it when a support roams without communicating it or if they roam when I have no mobility and they can dive me. I would like it if a support would ping that their ult is ready when they plan on using it so I don't have to react after the fact because I had no idea they were going to use it. Also it would be awesome if the support tracked movements of the enemy on the whole map considering they don't have to cs.

Axe2Handle8/8/2016, 7:32:49 PM2 votes

What I love supports doing. Taking aggro in lane keeping pressure off me and harrassing.

What I hate. Giving away free dmg and getting hit without trading. Blowing all thier mana in first 3 minutes and becoming a useless weak AA stick.

Truly Prideful8/8/2016, 7:44:11 PM2 votes

In lane I like when the support doesn't hit the wave outside of pushing situations because I usually get it to the position in the lane I want it and try to keep it there. I also enjoy having an aggressive support because it suits how I play well.

Outside of lane I like a support that roams to make plays and places forward pink wards often. There's no need to stick to me outside of lane, you do you.

Least favorite has to be when a support is very passive when we have a lead. If they are oom and half health let's get aggressive and deny some exp, not sit back and let them regen up.

Least favorite outside of lane was kind of in my favorite, don't stick to me if I'm safely clearing a wave. You'd probably be better off with the team taking over vision or setting up a pick.

Tilthankaldar8/8/2016, 7:49:46 PM1 votes

What is your favorite thing supports do for you in lane/after laneing phase?

Ping me when im stupid to walk in danger

What is your least favorite thing you see support do during/after laneing phase?

When they go in to attack the enemy but there is 30 minions that id rather have

Poop Jelly8/8/2016, 9:07:29 PM1 votes

My favorite thing supports do when I play ADC is willing to help me trade back damage with the enemies. Sometimes we lose trade but that's not the point, it gives me knowledge of how much damage we both do (and how I specifically do) and gives me an estimate to determine whether next trade is worth or not.

Amelie8/8/2016, 9:35:11 PM1 votes

What is your favorite thing supports do for you in lane/after laning phase?

During: Anything to make CSing easier. Applying pressure to the enemies by throwing out poke or cc. Warding the lane bush if there's a Blitz or something sitting in there. Pink warding the appropriate bush. Helping me if I get caught by returning damage, healing/shielding, or CC.

After: Protecting me or the most important carry on the team. Initiating fights if they have the abilities to do so. Warding areas where we are fighting or going to fight. Bringing pink wards for dragon/baron.

What is your least favorite thing you see support do during/after laning phase?

During: NOT use their relic shield to last hit minions. Not helping me push for level 2. Dying to the enemy when they get level 2 because he didn't help push for our level 2. Sitting back and doing nothing. Running away if the ADC gets engaged on. Not abusing long cooldown spells as a chance to poke/engage, such as a missed Thresh/Blitz hook. Engaging fights randomly or when there's a huge minion wave on top of us. Not putting down pink/trinket wards. Not buying a sightstone until 20 minutes, if ever.

After: Not warding the map. Engaging randomly or chasing enemies instead of helping teammates. Trying to engage fights when the priority is to peel for carries.

SlashStriker8/8/2016, 10:06:11 PM1 votes

i am not adc main but i played all the roles (my way) but here is my viewpoint

I pick Alistar Support and I don't give a fk about vision for most of the time. With 70% damage reduction i don't give a single fk if i die especially if enemies are too stupid to waste everything on the support with 70% damage reduction

Supports and Tanks should sacrifice in order their carries to live. No damage, no win. Some times some ADCs are pretty stupid and may make reckless plays and you ping them that there is danger but they say fk it. In that sutuation you say fk it too and leave them to die if thats their decision. Maybe you can try to protect the AP Carry instead the AD Carry?

Level 6 is very important despite who has it, Adc or Jungler. Once its reached if the jungler ganks at 6 then you should make the lane gankable in your favor. Also there are some ADCs that like to farm passively until they reach 6 Like Ashe's Enchanted Crystal Arrow

If the ADC wants to farm then you must learn how to freeze the lane. Always try to equalize the wave number in your favor. If enemy push you push.

item 3068 item 3077 item 3285 Get some Damage to farm mid and late game. If you see open lane and your ADC is not there to farm it or no one is there to get the CS even if you are Support go take it for your own good. They are not there to farm it so why put that gold to waste to turrets? While Super Wave is going to get formed on side lanes you can go do Baron or Drake. So now the enemies have to decide. Lose a Tower or Lose Baron / Drake

Don't be useless Support or just a Mobile Ward. Make enemies regret they ignored you

Pick Alistar Alistar and One shot that Caitlyn Caitlyn. ADC dies to a Support. How worst can it get?

lenny008/8/2016, 10:06:57 PM1 votes

My favorite thing is when supports die for me and sacrifice their life to get me a kill.

My least favorite thing is when they exhaust the support.

Jhin UItd JFK8/8/2016, 10:21:35 PM1 votes

Favorite thing: Being able to land skillshots to secure kills/trades, i.e. Zyra landing her snare, Blitz with hooks and such, as well as knowing to respect the enemy's power spikes and sitting back and guarding.

My least favorite is when they play a healer support but stand waaayy back leaving me exposed while I try to CS, leaving me open.

lofi n chillhop8/8/2016, 10:33:22 PM1 votes

after we've got a gank, pushing the wave is important.

something that I'm often iritated by, is when I'm playing passive and farming, and suddenly my support seems to get bored or antsy and makes an obviously bad engage. I mean, I usually can appear passive, and will jump into action when there is a good engage of course, but like. like the wave was slowly pushing as I was farming, and so I clear out the wave with 1400 to back, but then my support decides they're bored or something and headbut combo's the enemy and does OK damage, but then now we are near tower so have no way to kill, but having used half our cooldowns we just gave the enemy a huge opportunity to kill.

so I guess the takeaway from that really is: think about kill potential of an engage, and also think about cooldowns. not every support can poke very well, and if you can't poke very well, you need to be conscious of being careful what you do in a skirmish. like, for an alistar v thresh lane, the alistar should skirmish if the thresh uses q, whether or not thresh lands, but even then he has to be aware of the minion waves and adc positions. if the enemy adc or minion waves can do more damage to alistar than the allied minions and adc can do, it isn't worth engaging for alistar. so

minion wave size/content (melee does less than castors does less than canons)
adc positioning (and, do either have a dash)
support cooldowns

something else that irritates me is when the support randomly leaves. I like when supports ping red or yellow pings right before they leave to ward, or leave to collapse for the jg/mid. there's been times when I'm focusing on last hitting a minion, the support leaves me and I don't notice, and within 2 seconds I'm out of position and hoping the enemy support doesn't collapse on me by the route they couldn't have taken while me support was there.

something similar that I don't really know how to explain, is using the zone. when I am csing, if the enemy is pushing the wave, or if the wave is pushing into us, I need to be using autos every chance I can to counter the push... but if my support isn't using their threat of abilities to keep the enemy from harassing me, then I can't auto the wave and the wave crashes under the turret and we lose lane a little each wave until we're behind. but the right way to zone is very skill reliant, and requires a lot of experience with matchups between 4 champions.

then there is supports csing while adc is walking to lane... very sensitive territory. to be ideal, sometimes it is actually necessary for the support to push, for the support to last hit, or even for the support not to take minions at all because last hitting is actually pushing the wave slightly. IMO, do whatever you feel is right as a support... as an ADC I've prettymuch come to accept whatever happens to the wave while I am gone and IMO that is the right mindset for the adc. but since you asked "what is your favorite thing supports do" well one of the things that I get all impressed about is whenever the support makes the right call on how to handle the wave xD it's a tough skill to learn for an ADC who needs to focus on this, so when a support does it right I smile a little.

ReDesign8/8/2016, 10:46:07 PM1 votes

Laning phase (whats good):

It's great when supports get sighstone first or the latest 2nd-ish I love when the 2 bushes at bot are always or almost always warded on top of river/maybe tri too. I try to always use my trinket as well and get pinks too. Basically being able to see everything makes it so much easier in any situation and i can win fights, dealing with cheeky tactics like vision abuse is not fun.

Map awareness at least as good as mine or better is good to see in suppots as well incase I don't see something fast enough and they can call it out.

Helping poke/cc/take sharing damage taken in fights is also nice

Supports that are able to still do their stuff instead of make it a 1v2 and hang back, especially when they do that because they lack mechanics/knowledge on how to deal with certain enemies like blitz. I can usually dodge and deal with hooks my self, not expecting body blocks from my support most of the time, but it sucks when without reason they let themselves out of position to get grabbed or whatever, ending up dying then me as well trying to follow up /help.

Laning phase (whats bad):

I dont like when they take random free damage/trying to force aggro when its too risky or just want to focus more on farm

Not being able to last hit targon is not nice either..not as bad as never using it in the first place if they get it

randomly hitting minons that makes it even harder to not push when we dont have reason to

Varus Vindicator8/9/2016, 12:31:27 AM1 votes

in lane: i like it when my suport wins my lane for me with poke. that way i can CS in peace after lane: build damage and nuke dem fools. dislike: in lane: buff/heal me and hope i win after lane: nothing really, after i've got three full items i kinda think they're the team's support, not mine. and go do my own thing.(usualy play trist so i can get out of most bad situations with RW.)

Subtweet8/9/2016, 12:33:51 AM1 votes

Favorite: Zoning, helping me cs under tower, setting up kills, providing peel, only taking kills when necessary, vision, buying items that benefit the team (locket).

Least Favorite: I hate when a support goes aggro when I just want to farm safely. This usually results in both of us dying, especially if I'm behind in lane. Another thing is when supports waste their entire mana bar. Now, if they're just trying to harass, it's fine. But they should at least keep in mind to save some mana for when we actually need it (ex: for a gank). Also, it really bothers me when my support just leaves the lane to try and get rid of a pink when both the enemy adc and support are in lane. This puts me in a bad position because if their bot lane isn't complete and utter garbage, they would try to engage on me solo while my support is off doing god knows what. Lastly, I don't like supports that completely disregard the risks of trying to kill a ward alone, and end up dying to the other team.

Revali8/9/2016, 12:33:58 AM1 votes

Y'all

Y'ALL ** triggered**

I aint no main but I like seeing supports actually help top from time to time, they get no ganks unless its a super easy one usually.

it be lìke that8/9/2016, 3:16:40 AM1 votes

I don't main adc but i enjoy it, simple things i really liked.

talk to me in lobby. dont auto lock something niche like morganna and expect me to follow up with a champ that suits her.
Show me you are trying, help me farm comfortably or give some poke/zone i lose all faith in non sorakas who stand behind me and nothing.
most important one, PING if you see something and dunno if i did, ping that shit, you want to go for a ward, ping that shit. You wanna all in these fools? ping that shit.

Jim from staples8/9/2016, 5:01:16 AM1 votes

I'm seeing a lot of comments about hitting minions in lane, which yes, I don't like as well. My personal reason is I like to trade based off of the minions and the way the wave is. Adding on, when the support just lets the adc handle the wave, because a lot of the time they have a plan for how they're going to manipulate it.

Also a personal preference, I LOVE it when the support takes the time to recognize the matchups and the powerspikes, and in general how the adc wants to play the lane. It just makes it so much easier for me(the adc) to play the lane to it's highest effectiveness.

Hope this helped :)

JackMcSnipeyz8/9/2016, 9:15:48 AM1 votes

I'm not gonna say too much but i will tell you what frustarates me the most as an ADC main.

Supports who hide behind their adc. Almost all supports have some poke, engage, or defensive shields they can use to peel for their ADC, so when im in lane and the support hides behind me to the point where it's almost 1v2 it really starts to weigh down on the adc, he cant farm, trade, and the enemy support is probably poking him constantly.

The best supports i had where the ones who set the engagments. When to poke, when to go all in, when to defend and let the adc farm.

Dont take supporr as a passive role who barely does anything, take action and play your champion to his fullest potential.

Naut8/9/2016, 10:01:58 AM1 votes

My number one pet peeve is terrible positioning in laning. For example, standing too far behind me providing no pressure, standing directly on top of me providing little pressure and body blocking me, standing too far up when we can't win a fight, etc. Other notable things include not using the level 2 advantage, not helping push the first wave to get the level 2 advantage, not prioritizing lane brush control, especially against certain lane matchups (Blitz, Sona, Caitlyn, Leona, etc.), touching my cs at all when I'm trying to control the wave in a certain way (for those that pick relic shield supports, at least try to get the last hit instead of executing a minion at full when I'm freezing, or better yet, just wait for the freeze to end).

Wolf Queen8/9/2016, 12:40:46 PM1 votes

My least favorite would be a support who stands half a screen behind me while im poked down by 2 people. My favorite thing is a support who is aggressive. You have nothing else to do i hate it when supports just stand there doing nothing. Poke them do something, they just stand there i hate it. Your only job is to harass/engage on them. I love it when a support knows this and doesn't think playing support is just afking in lane. Thats the only job i care about, warding is of course common sense and shouldnt be listed as a job thats just basic common sense as support. So the only real job i want a support to do is just harass them, thats it. Poke them, auto them, do something. Thats the only job. You got one job and ill be happy

Randomonium8/9/2016, 1:04:10 PM1 votes

I want a support who is in line with me. By that I mean that they should be neither really far ahead or really far behind me in lane. This allows them to punish the enemy ADC when they move forward to CS but prevents the enemy support from engaging onto them (or me.) Any time the enemy ADC moves forward to hit a minion you should auto attack him and force him to decide whether he wants the CS or he wants to auto attack you back. This will allow your ADC to either gain an advantage in gold or in health that you can use to kill them later.

As a support you should roam. A mid lane roam from a support at the right time can completely tilt the enemy mid laner and allow your mid lane to snowball. However, I see many supports roaming at the wrong time. You should never roam if the enemy team has the wave frozen in front of their tower. Doing so forces the ADC to risk dying or give up large amounts of exp/CS. You should also not roam if the wave is pushed into your tower and the enemy team can threaten a dive. The best time to roam is when the wave is pushing towards your tower but the ADC can hold the wave and freeze it under his tower or keep the lane neutral but slightly pushing against him.

If you are in a situation where you are guaranteed that one of you are going to die and your ADC has a large bounty on his head (from being 4/0 or something), it is more advantageous for you to die if it allows your ADC to escape because it gives less gold to the enemy team. Be careful doing this though because dumb ADCs may try to turn and fight to "help you" (and then blame you for their death) rather than being grateful for your sacrifice and escaping with their lives.

If the enemy team has a lot of champions that are very good at killing ADCs (i.e. assassins or divers) then stick next to your ADC in team fights. Save your CC to peel for your ADC rather than trying to hit max range abilities on their ADC. The longer you keep your ADC alive the greater chance you have to win the team fight. Let your top/jungle/mid worry about killing the enemy back line.

HeeroTX8/8/2016, 7:35:55 PM1 votes

Best thing in laning phase: Zone the opponents. If you can zone BOTH, that's is awesome and you're deserving of praise. If you can zone 1 (either one) then you're doing good. If I get a 1-on-1 with the enemy adc, that's fine, not ideal, but fine. If I get 1-on-1 with enemy support, then I can handle that. But if I get stuck 2-on-1 because the support is way behind me, then we're gonna have problems.

I am not the strongest support, but talking to friends (who're better than me) and based on a lot of reps with adc, I can say: -Soraka: harass with Q, keep the adc from getting comfortable in a rhythm and heal when needed -Nami: Threaten Q, but be judicious, it keeps people on their toes, but is generally easy to dodge so threaten but don't spam it, toss Ws intermittently -Sona: spam the hell out of all her abilities, Q has ridiculous range and annoys the hell out of adcs and W has solid sustain -Blitzcrank: unless the enemy has a thresh, stay in front of adc and look for opportunities with the grab. Everyone HATES the grab -Thresh: same as blitzcrank but with hook and you can harass with other things. Also use the lantern but expect that the adc will often ignore it -Leona & Alistar: threaten the dive. do NOT dive under tower if only you and adc, 1 or both of you will likely die, but you can pressure the enemy with the threat -Morgana: zone heavily with Q & W, be careful since it can hurt cs, but if you do it correctly, enemy should be losing cs from the zoning, be ready with the E for enemy dives -Zyra: zone with the W+Q, it's annoying as hell. Look for an opportunity for E, but if you use the W+Q combo should be zoning well -Annie: charge for stun and walk towards the adc -Taric: line up stun shots with E, tougher to zone with sometimes, but try to make them respect your stuns, kick ass with ult after lane phase -Bard: leave at least 1-2 shrines near turret and try to hit Qs, zoning success will be entirely dependent on if the enemies respect your ability to hit Q, but shrines still useful -Janna: tougher to zone, Q is a solid tool, but easily dodged and not super impactful, stick near the adc and THREATEN an all-in, best bet is to keep opponents from being too aggressive without being reckless -Karma: if you play Karma, you should know what to do, she has a lot of utility -Zilean: don't play Zilean, seriously don't f'ing play Zilean, I HATE this champion. I hate when my team plays him, I hate when the enemy team plays him, I really just hate this damn champ. And if you play him, you're probably a mid-refugee that shouldn't be in bot lane.

Hope that helps.