Lux needs to be toned down especially her ult at the very least

Stanman073·3/21/2017, 2:01:08 AM·7 votes·1,318 views

For all those Lux mains out there you gotta admit her ult is pretty ridiculous and especially late game her ult is absolutely obnoxious since the cool down on that thing is only 50 seconds and only on a 32.5 second cool down at rank 3 with 45% CDR doing 500 dmg as base plus 75% of her AP assuming she has a solid 500 ap that is 875 AP dmg for such a short cool down and has an insane range of 3340 units. A spell like this can be used nearly twice in teamfights dealing an absurd** 1750 dmg** which is more or less 80-90% of an ADC's hp which is absolutely ridiculous for the cool down and its extreme hit box/length. This cooldown should definitely increased maybe by 10-20 secs at least.

Next lets talk about her E, probably one of the nightmares of any short range mage or melee champ. I knowledge the mana cost is high but after lost chapter into morellos her mana issue is more or less solved which you can get somewhere near 10 mins in the game. This ability is literally impossible to miss unless you are plastic 69 doing 240ap dmg plus 60% of her ap. This annoying as hell in lane since the hit box is retardedly large and it slows you as well. This also gives her a free passive and thunder lords proc which is another 60ad + 80 ap(assuming she is lv 6)+ about 100 dmg from the thunderlords proc with the e damage is absurd harass with little-no counter play. The Damage should definitely be made lower or range decrease or lower the missile speed so it can be dodged

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26 Comments

Toxicate133/21/2017, 2:09:43 AM8 votes

I like all the downvotes from triggered lux players. Just goes to show how no one is allowed to have an opinion.

Colte3/21/2017, 2:09:09 AM7 votes

she's extremely annoying to face and snowballs too easily but it's only natural that you get downvoted because alot of players love her and don't want her nerfed.

Troy2426213/21/2017, 6:07:08 PM3 votes

Only thing I hate about Lux is that her E moves so goddamn fast and she can trigger it immediately.

masterchief1013/21/2017, 2:42:02 AM2 votes

Yeah I think that Lux needs nerfs because in a normal match she 1 shot me at 1000 hp, which I think that is very broken.

TekkenPlayer3/21/2017, 5:56:39 AM2 votes

Hexdrinker, vlad, zhonyas, cleanse, barrier, self cast on root, and mr pretty, skillshots are what keeps Lux in check from being OP status. Though the travel velocity for E seems too fast for anyone to really dodge or outplay.

Wind2343/21/2017, 6:21:10 AM2 votes

I have plenty of Lux games under my belt, so I feel like I know her pretty well. I've crushed with her, been crushed with her, been crushed BY her and crushed her completely, and everything in between. I think she's pretty good right now, but I wouldn't call her busted or OP. I'm not so sure she really deserves nerfs right now, but I can also understand where you're coming from with frustration. She's a pretty big lane bully, and other mages do have a hard time fighting against her, especially if she knows what she's doing, but I think she's still pretty fair overall. With Lux, you have to be good at landing your skillshots, or your damage output will be poo.

With that said, I do agree that her E could use a bit more outplay potential, but I feel like she'd also need something to compensate it. I could see a slower missile speed, a smaller radius or maybe even adding a delay to her second activation so she can't send it out and burst it within .5 seconds. At the same time, though, making that too easy to dodge would neuter her damage and utility, so I'm not quite sure how well it'd work out. Making her Q a single target instead of potentially two would make it pretty much the same as Morgana's Q...I think the double-snare is there to make it different, so I'm not sure they'd consider removing it. They'd likely have to do something else to it to make it stand out from Morgana's Q because then it'd become a case of "why would I take her when I can take the other one?"

As for her ult....yeah, a longer cooldown would be fair. Though I do feel I should say that her ult does have some counterplay to it. It's actually pretty easy to miss/dodge, and you do have a warning to get out of the way. It's hitbox actually isn't that big at all - I can't tell you how many times I've missed someone by a hair's breath because they walked two steps to the side. Not only that, since it's kinda telegraphed when it's coming, spell shields, stasis and other such things can be used to dodge it. On top of that, there IS a cast time, and if that gets interrupted before it goes off, then Lux just wasted her biggest spell and can't use it before she dies. Even so, a longer cooldown so she can't spam it in team fights would be fair, I think.

So I agree with about half your post. Her ult could still be fine with a longer cooldown, I don't think her Q needs to be touched, and her E -could- benefit from a bit stronger counterplay, but I'm not sure how they'd change it without making it too crappy to make use of.

XIXInvictusXCI3/21/2017, 7:34:21 AM2 votes

I wouldn't mind seeing her with a longer cd ult. Start there, see how things go, carry on. Leave the E and Q alone though.

RexSaur3/21/2017, 2:03:13 AM2 votes

Tough luck for you, riot said they were going to BUFF her.

Stanman0733/21/2017, 2:07:10 AM2 votes

Can you guys actually read my post!!! You will find the nerfs reasonable

Magical Zoe3/21/2017, 2:09:43 AM2 votes

Lux From 7.1 to 7.5 she has barely had a 50% winrate. I know her kit may seem broken but its really not. All of her abilities are very predictable as her Q and E are actually pretty slow. Her ult is a straight line with a red indicator, everyone knows not to walk in a straight line when playing against a lux. Lux is like Lee sin, she is pretty strong before 20min but after that she falls very hard compared to Morgana. Lux is pretty balanced, I think you just need to dodge more lol.

Kaioko3/21/2017, 6:05:47 PM2 votes

45% CDR means that there's 55% time remaining. 50 seconds times 55% does not equal to 22.5 seconds. I stopped reading after that point considering you're complaining about her ult and couldn't manage to get even your first fact correctly.

Luxeøn3/22/2017, 5:56:17 AM1 votes

Hey man, I'm a Lux main (as are most people down voting or shit talking) and have played MANY games with her. I even have a famous guide with her. My point of telling you that is I have plenty of experience with her, and I almost know her like the back of my hand. I didn't downvote your post because she can be frustrating to play against. Her ultimate at level 16 with 45%CDR is actually a 27.5 second cooldown, while being around 30 with 40%CDR. However, she isn't op whatsoever, even though it might sound like it. She doesn't need buffs or nerfs per say, she needs CHANGES. I agree with you about her E and how hard it is to dodge. Her E needs to (in my opinion) be actually BUFFED, but have a smaller hitbox. This will give her great wave clear against the caster minions, but she also isn't able to freely farm and poke unless you are standing on top of the minions when she throws it. It will also make the spell much easier to dodge. Her biggest downfall is wave clear because right now, she is forced to E the caster minions, and then auto them to get them. This is where the enemy player can take advantage. Lux's E is on cool down because she just used it and she needs to walk up to auto these caster minions. There's the enemy's perfect chance to trade with her- and win. Lux only has her Q, and even if she is able to Q>auto you, your trade should do wayyyy more damage.

As for when she hits you with her E, you should be backing off if you have the illumination passive on you. OR, you need to harass her back. If I am playing Ahri and Lux E's and runs in to auto me, this gives me the perfect chance to charm, Q, W, and do EVEN more damage to her! I would most definitely win the trade. As for melee champs, they get MR per level as a result. You also mentioned short ranged mages. The first one that comes to mind is Annie. Yeah, Lux can poke Annie down, but one Flash/Tibbers with ignite, and Lux is DONE FOR. If she was op, she would be played in the LCS and would have way higher win rate. Last time I checked, her WR was 46% (in higher elos, I'm sure it's like 49% in bronze/silver).

She does do tons of damage, but in return, she has awfully high mana costs and a little higher cooldowns. Her E costs 130 mana at rank 5 and her 3 basic spells are higher cool downs compared to some other mages. She also has tons of weaknesses. Her shield got gutted, so it really doesn't help her at all. Level 1 shields 50 damage, a mages auto can break through that. She is very squishy and any assassin can whoop her. Not to mention, ALL of her abilities are skill shots. This is why she isn't seen/has a much lower win rate in higher elos, her spells are easily dodgeable and people in higher elos are normally better at dodging! Let's also look at the fact that the meta is now movement speed, meaning it's even MORE easy to dodge her spells. She can't combo you unless she hits her Q in mostly all cases (unless she E>R's you but that can be easily dodgeable/flashed away/dashed if your champion has one, or maybe you are CC'd by something else), but look at the items you can buy. As a mage, Zhonya's her combo and then jump on her. Abyssal is great as well. As an ADC, QSS is the best, just use it when she Q's you and then move sideways and auto while she misses the rest of her spells and auto her to death. You can even ctrl+3 that. Hex drinker is a cheap item for what you get and is very good early on in lane if you are laning against her. Finally, Edge of Night. Blocks that Q or E poke easy! As a support, Mikeals is amazing versus Lux and shield-y/heal supports saves lives, plus items like face of the mountain and locket of the iron solari. Lux has TONS of counterplay. I could go on about it, but I don't think nerfing her is the best solution. I can't exactly call out on WHAT to change because I'm not apart of Riot's balancing team, but I do know her Q is fine. It binds two people for a short period. I know people say Lux's Q>Morgana's because Morg's hits one person, but comparing those two is eh and Morgana's also binds for a VERY long time as you level it up. Lux's W needs to be changed SOMEHOW because the shield sucks, but just buffing the base shield strength will make her OP by her shielding her whole team by that newly high base damage amount. Her E does need a smaller hitbox, like I mentioned above. Her ultimate is actually in a good place right now, I'm not sure why they are buffing it- maybe for her not as good lategame (most Lux mains aren't too happy about the buff coming up because Riot could have done better, but it is a buff so we can't complain).

Anyways, those are just my personal opinions and I hope this gave you a little different perspective coming from someone who fully understands Lux and isn't just like "IM A LUX MAIN SHES THE BEST BUT SHES NOT OP SO DOWNVOTE!!!!". This post wasn't meant to bash on you or anyone else that feels this way, I am just hoping to maybe give you some insight on what others MIGHT be thinking (and definitely what I'm thinking), without just saying "this sucks, downvote" and moving on like others did :/. I respect the fact that you posted your opinion, even if people didn't agree with it! And I do agree with you upon certain things! GLHF! (and sorry for the long ass message)

-Luxeøn

midnight oil243/21/2017, 5:57:17 PM1 votes

Thing with the Q is that it's shorter than morg's root. So while Lux gets 2 units, she gets less time to beat them up. The ult is really only powerful if you've got illumination, honestly.

In addition, this is a very bursty meta, with guys like leblanc getting to complete their dash even if rooted, and her e is her only way to really handle close-range people.

Lux is in an okay spot. Maybe her ult could be nerfed a little, but in a mid lane with a close-range assassin meta, Lux really can't afford to be made worse.

Maximum Morde3/21/2017, 6:00:01 PM1 votes

If you had said her Lucent Singularity was too easy to land, I'd be with you, possibly, I'm not sure. But her ult? You smokin on dem crack rocks homie?