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How to support? (pt. 2)

Fyji··2 votes·292 views

This is the second post I've made on this topic, but where the other one focused on Braum mainly, and how to take advantage of his passive, this one is a lot more general.

After playing a couple games earlier tonight, I've realized that I might be one of the worst support players on NA, and I honestly have no idea what I'm doing. Even after reading every champion description and bio, watching many guides on the champions I play, trying to get better playing with bots, looking at recommended builds and runes, etc., I'm still just not improving.

To this end, I'm going to sit down and spew out a bunch of questions on playing as a support; mainly focusing on Zilean and Braum. Hopefully whatever comes of this thread can help other new and confused lads like myself.

1.) Vision

  • Wards
    • Should I go for sweeper or totem to start?
    • Is it worth buying control wards straight away?
      • If so, is it worth sacrificing an hp pot or two in order to get a control ward?
    • Is ghost poro any good?
    • What bushes and regions are commonly warded?
      • At what point in the game should I ward them?
  • Bushes
    • Alternatives to facechecking, assuming I have no mana and no wards left?
      • Is facechecking ever a valid method of searching the bushes?
      • Precautions to take if I decide to facecheck a bush?
    • When to hide in a bush in lane?
      • If I know they warded it but I have no sweeper?
      • If I don't know they warded it and I have no sweeper?
  • Freecam
    • How to handle the clunky controls?
    • When it's worth it to use freecam rather than just the minimap?
      • Is it bad that I almost never freecam at all?
  • Junglers
    • How to avoid ganks?
      • Wards don't seem to make a difference, since if I'm in a place where I'm liable to be ganked, I'm probably also at 30 hp and cc'd into oblivion?
      • How to know what's a bait in disguise and what could actually be a good trade?

2.) Playstyle

  • CS
    • Is it ever acceptable as a support?
      • What should my farm be by the end of the game?
    • How to build when all your gold income is based on one item?
  • What is my job?
    • Aside from destroying wards and placing them?
    • What to focus on early/mid/late game?
  • When to back?
    • Especially if the enemy laner is still doing well in terms of health? - Do I all-in them and force them out of lane? - Do I bait them near my turret by backing and then ask my jungler for a gank when they push? - Should I ever back because of mana/hp, or should I wait for that to regen?
  • When to buy?
    • Is it worth building an item rather than just buying it straight up?
    • How to know what to buy? - How can I figure out what kind of damage (ap/ad) the enemy team will be dealing?
    • Is the recommended tab generally the best for my purposes?

3.) The Game Itself

  • What are the different phases of the game?
    • How do I know when one has ended and another has started?
    • Can I prepare for a phase change in any way?
  • Any specific time landmarks I should look out for? (I know that buffs spawn @ 1:30; other than that, nothing.)
  • Laning phase?
    • How to avoid taking poke?
    • How to win lane? - What constitutes winning your lane?
  • Mid game?
    • When to all-in somebody?
    • How to roam? - Ganking as a support? - Is it worth staying and farming in lane rather than moving?
    • What is rotating?
  • Late game?
    • How to take objectives cleanly and safely?
    • How to deal with fed players?

4.) Miscellaneous

  • How to know when to play aggressive or passive?
    • Keeping level advantage?
  • Good uses for jungle plants?
  • If I mainly play support, what summoner spells should I be using?
  • At what point does "full ap" become "too much ap"?
  • Dealing with toxic players?
    • On your own team (refusing to gank, refusing to farm, feeding deliberately)
    • On the enemy team (focusing that goes beyond the scope of practical gameplay, taunting, general scumbaggery, etc.?)
  • Knowing when to ult and when to save?
  • The value of your life versus the value of your adc's life?
    • Is it worth sacrificing yourself to slow down a pursuer?
  • Is pocketing a thing in League?
    • Should I focus on supporting one player (e.g. my adc) or should I try to peel for any player in trouble?

TL;DR:

  •     **What is my job?**
    
  •     ** How to manage that job and multitask effectively?**
    
  •     ** How to know when my job isn't being done right?**
    
  •     ** What are my priorities?**
    

I appreciate any and all answers.

Thanks, Fyji

3 Comments

TheGreatBardini1 votes

I climbed from Bronze 5 to Gold 4 in one season just by deciding to learn the game and practice. You'll get there, just keep at it. Here's my advice.

1.) Vision

Wards Always standard warding trinket until your support item upgrades to have wards, then swap to the sweeper.

Do not buy a control ward right away, the health pots are more important with your first 500 gold.

From your first back and onward, you should be trying to buy a control ward. Note that they are useless if you cannot defend them and the enemy will be able to clear them out easily.

Ghost poro really isn't that good, especially on support. It's more useful on junglers and assassins. If you want, zombie ward is pretty much better in every way.

What bushes and regions are commonly warded? This is one you should probably should google, but here's the skinny. For laning, ward tribush or riverbush depending which side you're on, if you're pushed up or pushed in, what kind of jungler the enemy has, and what route you think they'll take to gank you. Later in the game, warding the bushes in the middle of the river, the bushes between red buff and dragon/baron, and the bushes to the side of mid lane are good to keep clear. Also, don't forget to ward baron and dragon when they're up.

Bushes Alternatives to facechecking, assuming I have no mana and no wards left? Throw a skillshot into them, see what happens. Alternatively, start to walk up, then juke to the side anticipating their skill shot.

Is facechecking ever a valid method of searching the bushes? Not really, no. If your spidey sense is tingling (which will grow as you learn), it's not worth it. If you're walking through your own jungle and your team is super ahead, then you can probably assume they haven't had a chance to get in, but just be on your toes.

Precautions to take if I decide to facecheck a bush? Be with teammates. Be playing a big tank. Be ready to anticipate a skill shot.

When to hide in a bush in lane? Most of the time. If it's not warded, they can't see you winding up for a skill shot. They don't know if you're at the front or back of the bush, so they have to play as if you're at the front, sometimes using mana to check it with a skill shot. You can also force them to use a ward on the bush, which is another ward they aren't putting in the river.

If I know they warded it but I have no sweeper? It is still good to have control of the bush because then you don't have to ward it.

If I don't know they warded it and I have no sweeper? Yes, control the bush. You can also check if the bush is warded by drawing agro from a minion or two and walking into the bush. If it's not warded, they'll stop because they lost vision.

Freecam

How to handle the clunky controls? Practice until it's not clunky.

When it's worth it to use freecam rather than just the minimap? All the time. You can see easily what cooldowns are being used, exactly how people are positioning, and how the minion wave is behaving.

Is it bad that I almost never freecam at all? Yes, change that right now. Practice in bot games if you must. Get good at using free cam.

Junglers

How to avoid ganks? Ward. Stand near the bottom of the lane. If you're pushing up, ward. If you see the enemy jungle top and the midlaner isn't roaming, save your ward for about a minute after the jungler leaves top lane.

Wards don't seem to make a difference, since if I'm in a place where I'm liable to be ganked, I'm probably also at 30 hp and cc'd into oblivion? Then don't do that. If you're liable to be ganked, back off and recall.

How to know what's a bait in disguise and what could actually be a good trade? Wards. Also, practice. Learn to notice changes in behavior. If the Janna has been hiding 2 screens behind her ADC for 5 minutes and all of a sudden walks up to W you......something's fishy.

Just as a general tip, play some jungle yourself. I queue fill most of the time in ranked and I'm placed jungle about 15% of the games. Playing jungle helped me learn jungle timings, routes, etc. Learn your enemy and you'll learn their patterns and weaknesses.

2.) Playstyle

CS Is it ever acceptable as a support? Only if you have relic shield stacks. Sometimes your adc is coming from base, but there's almost always something better for you to be doing. Also take into account, the support items may soon be changed to have all gold income disabled when you kill a minion.

What should my farm be by the end of the game? You are are the support, you do not last hit, it is not your job, you do not have a farm goal.

How to build when all your gold income is based on one item? This is not the problem you think it is. Supports items tend to cost less than other main roles. Also, your gold income should not impact how you build since it will be fairly steady compared to other roles.

What is my job? Make it very easy for your adc to CS. Play some adc and learn how to CS under turret. Sometimes it will be helpful to auto a minion once or twice so your adc can last hit it. Also take into consideration that the enemy wants to last hit. Watch your own minions. When one starts to get to low health, the enemy adc will walk up and auto it, making it the perfect time to harass them.

Aside from destroying wards and placing them? Do this as much as possible, which is why control wards and sweepers are important.

What to focus on early/mid/late game? Depends on what champ you're playing. With Blitzcrank, feed your adc early game. Roam through into the mid game to give your other laners advantages. Late game, hook the enemy carries and win. When you play someone like Janna, never die. Use your abilities to keep your carries alive. Peel them with Q and R while shielding them from key damage with E.

When to back? Do NOT back if your minion wave is pushing. This is when your wave is bigger and will kill the enemy minions faster. This means your minions will make you lose all the cs and xp from the enemy minions that die. Instead, try to push the wave all the way into the tower. Then, the wave will crash and push back towards you. That means the wave of enemy minions will build up just in time for you to get back from base. Additionally, the enemy will lose out on getting to kill your minions. Controlling minions waves and getting good back timers are huge in pro games, so watch those if you'd like.

Especially if the enemy laner is still doing well in terms of health? If you back with a huge wave under tower, that feels really bad. Back if you're going to get dove, but they'll most likely get tower. If it's really bad, you'll most likely need your jungler to come and help hold your tower up and clear the wave. Most times, just try to play super passive until the enemy runs out of mana or gets lots of gold, then decides to back.

Do I all-in them and force them out of lane? Didn't you just say you're low on health? Why fight into the enemy's advantage and risk giving a kill?

Do I bait them near my turret by backing and then ask my jungler for a gank when they push? Do not rely on your jungler for a gank, most of them are stupid. However, if you are pushed in, you are more likely to get a gank since it's easier on your jungler, so it's a good idea, but don't be shocked if they ignore you.

Should I ever back because of mana/hp, or should I wait for that to regen? Yes, if your mana or HP is too low, you won't be able to fight effectively and will most likely die if the jungler shows up, or even just die 1v1. Learning to manage your mana and health takes practice and is also why you take health pots early in the game.

When to buy? Whenever you are hitting an important item spike. For example, on soraka you could back to buy ardent censor. Also, if you have a large amount of gold, say 2000 more than the enemy, but it's sitting in your pockets and your enemy just bought, then you DON'T have a gold lead. You are equal on items and strength until you actually spend the gold. It's usually a good idea to match your opponents backs so you stay relatively even.

Is it worth building an item rather than just buying it straight up? A completed item is virtually always worth more than the sum of it's parts. That being said, it costs the exact same if you buy it one piece at a time and build it slowly or if you get it all at once. It doesn't matter. So, complete your item if you can, but don't be afraid to spend what you have because you might as well get that small bonus if it will build into a larger one.

How to know what to buy? This is a really good question. That's partly situational to your champion and partly to your and the enemy team comp. Take boots for example. On Blitzcrank you always go mobility boots. On other champions, you may want to go Ninja Tabis if the enemy is AD or auto attack focused, Mercury Treads if they are more AP and CC focused, Lucidity boots if your build doesn't have enough CDR in it, Magic pen boots and Attack speed boots if they're useful and you can get away with it, and mobility boots to engage or roam. Swifties are even more situational, so don't worry about them too much.

Now that was just the boots. I can't go into every single one, but just know please don't rely on mobafire. Use either probuilds.com and/or op.gg. However, a word of caution, you must still learn and know WHY those items are bought. No one "build" is universally the best option on any champion. Many champs are like Garen where you build one "core" item first 100% of the time (black cleaver) and have many options after that depending on the situation. Learn the strengths, weaknesses, synergies, and purpose of every item, or at least the ones built on the champion you want to play.

Now, I've almost reached the character limit, so I've put the rest in a reply to this comment, see below.

y0r1ck1 votes

You're doing God's work.

TheGreatBardini1 votes

I accidentally deleted my draft for this one, so my answers will be brief as I've been typing for like 2 hours. How can I figure out what kind of damage (ap/ad) the enemy team will be dealing? Press tab and look at the items they are buying.

Is the recommended tab generally the best for my purposes? Sometimes, most times, but it's not always reliable. Use OP.GG and probuilds.com.

3.) The Game Itself

What are the different phases of the game? Laning/early, mid game, late game, AND UBER DUBER LATE GAME.

How do I know when one has ended and another has started? Objectives change. In early game, win your lane and try to push down your tower. Mid game, push down towers in all of the lanes, play around neutral objectives like baron/herald/dragons. Late game, win teamfight and get advantages with taking inhibitors. UBER DUBER LATE GAME is 50+ minutes. Everyone has six items or five plus boots. The death timers will be so long that whoever wins the fight will win the game, one hundred percent, so hold nothing back in a fight.

Can I prepare for a phase change in any way? Warding and rotations.

Any specific time landmarks I should look out for? (I know that buffs spawn @ 1:30; other than that, nothing.) Baron at 20 minutes.

How to avoid taking poke? Watch pro mid lane streamers, watch how they wiggle back and forth very fast to mask which direction they are going to move. Learn the cooldowns and range of their abilities and play around them.

How to win lane? Deny CS and XP by either zoning, poking out of lane, or killing them. Also, if you absorb jungle ganks without dying, you're wasting their time and can give your team an advantage just by going even.

Mid game? PUSH TOWERS. Seriously, just push up minion waves and hit the towers. Keep neutral objectives warded.

When to all-in somebody? Practice calculating their HP, mana, summoner spells, how much damage they can do back, how tanky they are, how close to tower or allies they are, if the jungler is nearby, and if the minion wave is really big. Early game, minion agro will destroy you in extended trades.

How to roam? Push in your lane first, otherwise you lose too much XP, gold, and tower damage, making it not worth it even if you do get the kill.

Ganking as a support? First make sure your ADC will be safe, then find a good path into the lane where you can cut them off and it won't be warded.

Is it worth staying and farming in lane rather than moving? Yes, almost always. Roaming is a risk and not guaranteed. If you leave, your laner getting free farm and tower damage is guaranteed. I'd recommend just chilling and not trying to force things until you've learned.

What is rotating? Killing the tower in front of you and then moving to a different lane and helping kill that one.

Late game? Get inhibitors down and then forget about trying to push that lane. Let the super minions push in, then when the enemy goes to stop the super minions, take a baron, towers and an inhibitor in another lane, something.

How to take objectives cleanly and safely? Use control wards. Also, don't auto stealth wards if they're disabled while you're doing objectives, as that gives vision to the enemy team. Just wait until afterward to clear them if you want. Plus, clear the vision plant so the enemy can't see and hit the blast plant so the jungler can't try to jump in and steal.

How to deal with fed players? Together. It doesn't matter how fed they are if they're dead, so try to save your CC or ultimate to stop them in a big fight. Most importantly, don't try to 1v1 them, because if they're fed, they're good at 1v1's AND now they have a big item advantage.

4.) Miscellaneous

How to know when to play aggressive or passive? Play up whenever you can. Play back if you just used important abilities and they're on cooldown. Play back if you're low on mana, HP, the jungler is nearby, or the midlaner is missing. You can also easily play back if the enemy minion wave is big, since it will push towards you and you'll get them all eventually.

Keeping level advantage? Always be farming something. As much as possible, don't let free minion waves get away.

Good uses for jungle plants? Use vision plants to scout instead of facechecking, discover if they are doing baron/dragon, and reveal stealth wards. Use blast plants to get away while running from the enemy, particularly over a wall. A tip for fruits, the crab will hoard one if nearby cuz it's tasty. Just auto him one and he'll scuttle away.

If I mainly play support, what summoner spells should I be using? Always flash. Never not flash. Ignite on exhaust depending on champ and matchup.

At what point does "full ap" become "too much ap"? When you die, you don't do any damage. Deathcap gives you more damage, but if Zhonyas helps you live longer, you end up doing more damage even though the item doesn't 'give' you as much damage.

Dealing with toxic players? Mute them, report if applicable.

On your own team (refusing to gank, refusing to farm, feeding deliberately) If your team is unreliable, don't rely on them. You can't change your team, so focus on yourself, improving and reducing mistakes. Nobody wins every single game, but if you perform well, over time you will win more often than you lose, regardless of the occasional 'unlucky team'.

On the enemy team (focusing that goes beyond the scope of practical gameplay, taunting, general scumbaggery, etc.?) Once again, mute. Sometimes, if you have a good, witty, and non-toxic comeback, take some banter and appreciate that you're playing against real people and not AI. If you're being focused 'beyond the scope of practical gameplay', then work on not dying and then the enemy team is at a huge disadvantage. If you keep dying, then it will keep being worth it.

Knowing when to ult and when to save? This takes practice, so for a rule of thumb if you might be able to use it, just go for it and eventually you'll get a feel for when it will make a difference.

The value of your life versus the value of your adc's life? You are worth 300 gold. If you die trying to save your adc and fail, that's twice the kills they enemy gets than if you never tried, so don't die for nothing. If your adc is on a killing spree, they are worth more gold than you, so from a logistic perspective, make that choice.

Is it worth sacrificing yourself to slow down a pursuer? Usually, no. You're worth more alive than not. Again, you are worth 300 gold too. Supports are not just for the ADC, they're for the whole team. If you can 100% get away, do that. Hopefully your adc will learn to position better. However, you should also usually be helping your adc avoid that situation with wards and pings.

Is pocketing a thing in League? Yes, especially with 'true supports' like soraka and janna. It's not always ideal, but sometimes is.

Should I focus on supporting one player (e.g. my adc) or should I try to peel for any player in trouble? The reason the support goes bot with the ADC is because they need the most help early game. Once you get to late game, they're the most valuable person around and need the most protection. As the support, belong to the whole team, not just the adc. They usually need the most help since they're big babies, but in a teamfight don't ignore the others, especially the midlaner since they are just as squishy and can put out just as much damage.

TL;DR:

What is my job? Use the strengths of your champs to support you team. It's different for every champ, from engage/cc like Blitz and Leona, to shields and heals like Janna and Lulu, to mage supports like Brand and Zilean, to tank supports like Sion and Malphite, to inbetweeny supports like my favorite, Bard.

How to manage that job and multitask effectively? Practice. Look at the minimap. Research. Check the minimap. Ward often. Glance at the minimap again. Work on your mechanics. Then watch the minimap again because that Jungler is gonna show up somewhere.

How to know when my job isn't being done right? If you're dying some, that's okay. If you're dying a lot, you're either going in at the wrong time, standing forwards too close to big bad guys, or not having the situational awareness/wards to avoid a bad situation.

What are my priorities? In reverse order, kill the nexus, kill the nexus towers, kill the inhibitors, kill the baron, kill the towers, kill the dragons, kill the enemy, kill the minions. Those last two are a bit subjective and swappable.

This paragraph is only for those that read through this whole thing. The most important advice I can give you is to relax. If you get tilted, go for a walk. Enjoy the nice weather. Hear the birds sing. Smile at a stranger. Drink plenty of water. Ask a friend for a book recommendation. Call your mother, she deserves it, will appreciate it, and you'll be better off for it. Brush your teeth twice a day. No really, and don't forget to floss. Change your pillowcase at least every month. Invest in comfortable shoes. Sit up straight. Drink some more water. Don't sacrifice sleep for anything on a screen. Find people to love more than a video game. Only when you truly enjoy your life without a video game will you truly be able to enjoy your life with it. That's what this is all about after all, enjoying a video game. I get that you'll enjoy playing more if you're not getting stomped all the time, but don't take it too seriously if you don't win. Lose is improve, but only with patience and practice. Best of luck my friend, you're on the right path to improvement. [galio-happy]

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