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Just ANOTHER post complaining about matchmaking.

Dr40UR·10/29/2018, 6:11:08 AM·21 votes·10,483 views
Fuck this matchmaking.

Okay, so this is the grossest matchmaking I've ever been a part of. Just completely and utterly unfair.

Team 1: My team. You have Ragnarok, my Gold 5 friend. Me, who doesn't play ranked anymore, but never broke high Silver. Currently level 53 or so. A Gold 5 player. A level 31 unranked player who has never been out of Bronze. And last, and least, a level 26.

Enemy team: A silver 4 A gold 5 A bronze 2 A silver 5 and naturally, a diamond 5.

How in the world is this balanced matchmaking? The Aatrox stomped everyone he came across. Which is to be expected, because the skill gap between high silver low gold and high plat low diamond is so fucking enormous that Riot literally BALANCES CHAMPIONS BASED ON HIGH PLAT AND ABOVE. And this is just a normal game! But it's not fun when we get players who don't even fully understand the game or how to play it, versus people who are in the upper echelon of League play. That's just absurd. Aatrox 1v5'd like three times, and only died because I was playing like a bitch and throwing bombs while running the fuck away. Riot, seriously, this is my second post, but FIX THIS SHIT. How is this supposed to be fun or fair?

41 Comments

Karunamon10/29/2018, 6:59:43 AM8 votes

Everything about this is fucked up. That D5 player should have pushed the average skill their team was matched against somewhere into plat.

Riot, buddy, pal, people don't forget how to play the game just because they clicked on "normal" instead of "ranked".

Leto GT10/29/2018, 9:49:00 AM6 votes

Ive got diamonds platiniums, golds, silvers, unrankeds (even bronzes sometimes) mixed together in both teams every single game. Its just bs right now.

Starcraft243ver10/29/2018, 12:10:51 PM3 votes

Because it's a normal game and it has been said 1 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 time (at least) that the matchmaking for normal games and the matchmaking for ranked games are totaly distinct.

For the matchmaking system it's like you are all unranked and you all have a hidden ranking for normal games only.

MinceWeldSalah10/29/2018, 1:02:11 PM3 votes

Imagine playing with a level 17 ADC while u're level 114 or something

OniZetsu66610/29/2018, 6:17:10 AM2 votes

Their bronze 2 was probably duoing with the diamond cause it was well a normal game and they might not have been able to find another diamond player at the time so to cut down on the que time they threw in two gold players to help balance it out.

Chalze10/29/2018, 7:53:23 AM2 votes

I get this all the time, always up against golds and above to the point where I feel like I can't actually make an impact at all.

IainG1010/29/2018, 12:47:22 PM2 votes

I actively avoid Normals because of shit like this; how am I supposed to improve if I'm leagues ahead of or behind my lane opponent? The only time I hit up Normals is to test something (like a new champ or radically new build) before taking it into Ranked.....

Nea10410/29/2018, 3:05:51 PM2 votes

Sadly I've played dozens of this kind of digusting Normals (even when the "Diamond" player was in my team, and I could just eat popcorn waiting for minute 15 or 20).

Riot's answer has always been "Working as intended, still we are trying to improve it". Well, that's how they have improved it in 2 years, then. Good job, along with the rest :D

Resolution10/29/2018, 3:22:37 PM2 votes

Apparently throwing a Diamond player on the team to balance out the Bronze is logical.

Except for the person the Diamond player lanes against, nothing better than going against someone two tiers higher. This is why matchmaking is such a mess, they'll unevenly match the game to make up for a single person, without realizing how bad it actually fucks the entire game up.

I remember before we had the Rune rework, I tried queuing with my friend who was level 10. The game legit matched me against new level 10's who didn't have any runes yet or even the full mastery tree unlocked. I went on a 20 game winning streak with my friend just because I did almost double damage than my opponents from having stats unlocked they didn't.

Vonyalo10/29/2018, 3:26:25 PM2 votes

Yep, that's the matchmaking I know.

Guzergus10/29/2018, 4:58:28 PM2 votes

Why is it so hard to understand that normal games are not influenced by ranked? Btw, they shouldn't be.

DeathBurst10/29/2018, 5:16:53 PM2 votes

How many times do we really need to go over that? Normals match-making is bad because people play all kind of stuff in Normals (as opposed to just their best in Ranked) which lead the MMR estimation astray, plus people don't grind as much so the system doesn't get enough data to converge.

Yeah, in hindsight it's easy to say "no matter what they play, a Plat will be better than a Bronze", but no, using data from Ranked queue is not that simple. The two MMR are separate in the first place for a good reason.

And that is not even mentioning Premades, if a Bronze and a Diamond are Premades together, even with perfect data, what could the match-making even do? There is NO solution.

Seenan10/29/2018, 10:55:47 PM1 votes

I've had this happen on nearly every game I've played in the past 3 days (I took a break off league). There's at least one Gold 3 or above on their team for whatever reason, but my whole team is in my current division (Gold 5/4) - makes it a lot harder to carry/climb if that Gold 1 isn't my lane.

LightningShado10/30/2018, 3:24:07 AM1 votes

I thought you needed to be at least level 30 to play ranked.

LazyW0lf10/29/2018, 4:02:47 PM1 votes

Normals and Ranked have their own MMR, so that diamond player had probably not played a normal game all season as is set at the default MMR for every queue...Silver. Naturally, just like in ranked, the more you play and win, the faster you "climb" MMR.

This has been said on almost every post that complains about normals matchmaking, it's nothing new.

hält die fresse10/30/2018, 4:32:46 AM1 votes

try s4, lvl 20 smurf. main only gold, solo q with 4 other solo q lvl 20s. vs 3 d2's and 2 high plats.

Smartness Immune10/30/2018, 6:45:29 AM1 votes

Don't say that , my Yorick got murdered by the balance team because he was deemed "overpowered" by a silver riot employee that got stomped once in lane by him, while Yorick ain't the best in plat 1+ , because people can stomp him if they gang up on him.

Šakalas10/29/2018, 6:00:51 PM1 votes

Dude im bronze 3 in solo and flex5w5 in evry fcking match in blind i have gold 100% a platinum 50% diamond 20% opponents i preffer play aram coz they crying and harasing me bans

Tanerian10/29/2018, 12:34:37 PM1 votes

Normal mmr and ranked mmr are completey separate things. One does not account for the other, nor should they.

All those players have similar mmr in normal games. Stop worrying about their ranked ranking when you are not playing in ranked.

Normal matchmaking uses normal mmr. That Diamond might never play normal, or maybe when he does, he plays new champs to practice and loses a lot, making his normal mmr very low. Or maybe that bronze player hardly ever plays ranked, hit bronze and started playing normal again instead of trying to climb higher in ranked. Maybe he's much better than bronze, he just doesn't play ranked. So his normal mmr is higher.

There are a ton of variables that could attribute to this. Its harder to figure out "why" in normal, because the entire point of normals is a lack of transparency. If you want more transparency, play ranked.

Until then, just realize that his mmr between those two teams are similar.

SociaI Justice10/29/2018, 2:19:28 PM1 votes

I've seen under level 30s have to play against masters omegalul normal games matchmaking matters for fuck all tho

Bent Pixels10/29/2018, 2:23:55 PM1 votes

Chances are that the Diamond player was duoq'd with the Bronze or one of the Silver players, therefore making the match completely unbalanced. In order to compensate for the Diamond player, they gave your team a few more gold players than the other team to try to even out the match. It rarely ever works, but I think this is why matchmaking is as broken as it is, simply because a high elo player is duoq'd with a low elo one. I think they just try to make the MMR average for each team around the same.

Doesnt explain the level 26 and 31 though. I dont have an answer for that

ZaFishbone10/29/2018, 2:30:19 PM1 votes

Meh, seems legit.

Dr40UR10/29/2018, 6:15:31 PM1 votes

Everyone's talking about the Bronze player, but that's not even my concern. How did my team wind up with someone who isn't even level 30, and they get a Diamond 5? The level 26 player had NO idea what they were doing. And that'd be fine, if they were playing with people who were similar skill and they could learn together. But they just got slaughtered by people who were way more experienced, and way more skilled. This is like, every 4 games of League lately, and it doesn't make sense to me.

Ranked MMR and Normal MMR shouldn't be so different. I get that you try new things in normals and stuff, and the whole mode is more relaxed, but that doesn't mean a Diamond player plays on the same level as a Bronze one, or much less someone who isn't even level 30 yet. It's a broken system, and it needs addressing. It makes the game not fun. And unlike some people, I don't want to grind ranked and take the game seriously every time I play. I like playing for fun and having a good time. But when a Diamond 5 15/1 hard meta Aatrox comes up and two shots me because he stomped and dove a Silver top laner over and over again, it ruins the entire game.